Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And even the bullet blocking is kinda undermined by the scan where she talks that she does it by....just predicting where the bullets will be, rather than being faster than the bullets.
Not when we have scans of her outruning bullets, and even blocking them while she is blind.
Originally posted by Smurph
No, because Superman and Flash have so, so many complex speed feats unlike anything that Diana ever shows.Do they sometimes job? Sure. But there's a vast difference between instances of underperforming and 83 years of failing to show more than running fast and blocking bullets.
Yes, she can block bullets.
Aside from the first scan, this is basically street level stuff.
LOl the lies. They have far more scans below light speed. Than the amounts of times they have moved faster than light.
And Diana has plenty odf scans doing more thamn running fast and blocking bullets.
Originally posted by light889I didn't say anything about the ratio of feats. I just said they have complex speed feats in an entirely different league from anything Diana has ever done.
LOl the lies. They have far more scans below light speed. Than the amounts of times they have moved faster than light.And Diana has plenty odf scans doing more thamn running fast and blocking bullets.
Originally posted by Smurph
I didn't say anything about the ratio of feats. I just said they have complex speed feats in an entirely different league from anything Diana has ever done.
Correction. This thread has been attempting to suggest she has no feats faster than bullets. Or that she lacks super speed. Well.
Let's take a look at Diana's''lack'' of super speed in 82 years of history. Bullet speed is far from her best speed feats.
Comics contradict comics.
This has always been the case for most characters.
Writers differ in opinions.
Characters are stated to not be able to do something by one writer and blatantly do it by another.
Diana lassoing zoom when Zoom is moving at faster than light speeds.
When a character is stated to have superspeed as part of their power set then by default they are faster than bullets.
No speedster is slower than a bullet. He'll some people that are not listed as having superspeed are faster than bullets.
Anyway I thought this was a joke thread anyway. No one in their right mind would think WW is slower than bullets. That's retarded.
Lastly, nearly all characters are victim to low contradictory showings. How many times Spidey, Flash, Superman, etc were hit by speeds slower than bullets?
Originally posted by light889
Correction. This thread has been attempting to suggest she has no feats faster than bullets. Or that she lacks super speed. Well.Let's take a look at Diana's''lack'' of super speed in 82 years of history. Bullet speed is far from her best speed feats.
Originally posted by Smurph
funny but embarrassing.
Originally posted by Smurph
There is nothing embarrassing about the feats i posted. And she is not the only one with super speed to have jobbed or be nerfed in certain stories. That does not make all of her actually good and also great speed feats invalid. Also i never compared her to Flash level of speed by the way. Which would be a more intersting case, in the sense that Flash is all about speed. He is like the ultimate face of super speed in comics, and the one everybody is compared to regarding speed, similar to how superman is the measurement for all super strong characters in a way. Yet even poor Flash can not avoid moments of jobbing, and the inconstencies of an industry, where usually characters are only as powerful as the plot needs them to be, and their abilities are treated as optional depending on the story. This is hardly something that has happened to Diana only. It happens to literally every comic character.
Lol I think we need to step back and remind ourselves of the arguments here.
This all started with a poster saying DC wanks WW. Stoic then posts that Priest scan, and we start wondering if she's bulletproof or not.
Carver jumps in, and misunderstands, and thinks we're talking about speed. I then start to wonder - does she actually have any specific feats of her outrunning bullets? Like, I accept she has superspeed - again, do a search for Shattered God posts by Darksaint85, and you will see the number of times I use it - but I was specifically after feats where a villain (or hero) pulls a trigger, the bullet is fired and she outruns it.
Not scans of her flying around at Mach 3, or scans of her.... talking on the phone, or writing letters at superspeed. Outrunning bullets. Not dodging lasers or what have you.
Light, I think your argument would be a lot stronger if you just focussed on the task/question at hand. You obviously know your stuff, so out of the 82 years of WW's history (being generous here and not just limiting it to post -Crisis) does she have feats of her outrunning bullets and if so, how many are there?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I think we need to step back and remind ourselves of the arguments here.This all started with a poster saying DC wanks WW. Stoic then posts that Priest scan, and we start wondering if she's bulletproof or not.
Carver jumps in, and misunderstands, and thinks we're talking about speed. I then start to wonder - does she actually have any specific feats of her outrunning bullets? Like, I accept she has superspeed - again, do a search for Shattered God posts by Darksaint85, and you will see the number of times I use it - but I was specifically after feats where a villain (or hero) pulls a trigger, the bullet is fired and she outruns it.
Not scans of her flying around at Mach 3, or scans of her.... talking on the phone, or writing letters at superspeed. Outrunning bullets. Not dodging lasers or what have you.
Light, I think your argument would be a lot stronger if you just focussed on the task/question at hand. You obviously know your stuff, so out of the 82 years of WW's history (being generous here and not just limiting it to post -Crisis) does she have feats of her outrunning bullets and if so, how many are there?
I already posted scans of WW outspeeding bullets and also feats showing her doing things faster than a speeding bullet. You can find them in my post. Since the speed of a bullet was used as a point of reference here apparently. I posted scans of her outdoing speeding bullets and faster things.
For a literal moment of a gun being shot and her outrunning it. A post Crisis feat for that was posted too. It is from Gail Simone run.
Now my attention is focused on the guy suggesting that things like this are not examples of high level feats of super speed.
And she does not need to be bulletproof, to fight people that attack with physical and energy based attacks. 2 forms of attacks she takes all the time and has consistently taken over her 83 years of publication. Having slipt durability is far from the most ridiculous type of weakness in all fiction. As for being wanked hard. That title still belongs to batman and then superman.
Originally posted by light889
I already posted scans of WW outspeeding bullets and also feats showing her doing things faster than a speeding bullet. You can find them in my post. Since the speed of a bullet was used as a point of reference here apparently. I posted scans of her outdoing speeding bullets and faster things.For a literal moment of a gun being shot and her outrunning it. A post Crisis feat for that was posted too. It is from Gail Simone run.
Now my attention is focused on the guy suggesting that things like this are not examples of high level feats of super speed.
And she does not need to be bulletproof, to fight people that attack with physical and energy based attacks. 2 forms of attacks she takes all the time and has consistently taken over her 83 years of publication. Having slipt durability is far from the most ridiculous type of weakness in all fiction. As for being wanked hard. That title still belongs to batman and then superman.
Yeah, so from what I got from that scan dump, there's.....one time she did it. Out of 83 years. Maybe there was another, but frankly I didn't click on every single link.
And you're getting sidetracked about wanked characters. Stay on target.
Smurph is saying that IS Indeed a superspeed feat - but in comparison to a 'real' (whatever that means) speedster like Superman or Flash, certainly in a battle board context, it's not that great (especially since in the era you're pulling it from, assuming it's PC, Superman was time travelling with his speed).
Imo if a character has feats of moving fat faster than bullets then it's irrelevant to any argument whether they have showings of outruning/out flying a bullet.
That's like a character having multiple lifting feats that exceed 100 tons but someone arguing whether they can lift a tank because one writer wrote them SAYING, that they themselves cant lift a tank.
Originally posted by light889For a literal moment of a gun being shot and her outrunning it. A post Crisis feat for that was posted too. It is from Gail Simone run.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85If we really get down to that scan (that being the one scan responsive to the question), it's incorrect to say "a literal moment of a gun being shot and her outrunning it"
Yeah, so from what I got from that scan dump, there's.....one time she did it. Out of 83 years. Maybe there was another, but frankly I didn't click on every single link.And you're getting sidetracked about wanked characters. Stay on target.
Smurph is saying that IS Indeed a superspeed feat - but in comparison to a 'real' (whatever that means) speedster like Superman or Flash, certainly in a battle board context, it's not that great (especially since in the era you're pulling it from, assuming it's PC, Superman was time travelling with his speed).
She starts moving once she hears the woman scream for help. She dashes in front of the woman at the moment when the trigger is pulled. If we're being sticklers, that's not the same thing as outrunning the bullet.
Originally posted by Smurph
If we really get down to that scan (that being the one scan responsive to the question), it's incorrect to say "a literal moment of a gun being shot and her outrunning it"She starts moving once she hears the woman scream for help. She dashes in front of the woman at the moment when the trigger is pulled. If we're being sticklers, that's not the same thing as outrunning the bullet.
And Diana has both. Feats of outspeeding bullets and faster things than bullets. So who cares about the bullets? In 83 years of WW history. Easily dealing with the speed of bullets is like the absolute basic part of her speed showings. You are acting as if bullet feats have been her top performance regarding speed, when in fact it is far from the truth.