Supergirl & Wonder Woman vs Thor & Jane Thor

Originally posted by h1a8
Imo if a character has feats of moving fat faster than bullets then it's irrelevant to any argument whether they have showings of outruning/out flying a bullet.

That's like a character having multiple lifting feats that exceed 100 tons but someone arguing whether they can lift a tank because one writer wrote them SAYING, that they themselves cant lift a tank.

Do an advanced search for posts from Darksaint85 for '100 ton pencil'. I make this argument all the time - we have scans of Superman lifting 100 tons, and lifting pencils, but no scans of him lifting 100 ton pencils. This doesn't mean he is incapable of doing so.

But it would be nice to be corrected and be shown Superman lifting a 100 ton pencil, for my own edification.

Speaking of, maybe (headcanon here) WW is weirdly weak to bullets.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do an advanced search for posts from Darksaint85 for '100 ton pencil'. I make this argument all the time - we have scans of Superman lifting 100 tons, and lifting pencils, but no scans of him lifting 100 ton pencils. This doesn't mean he is incapable of doing so.

But it would be nice to be corrected and be shown Superman lifting a 100 ton pencil, for my own edification.

Speaking of, maybe (headcanon here) WW is weirdly weak to bullets.

Originally posted by Smurph
But it sounds like you agree with my post so... where's the feat of her outracing a bullet?

I agree with what? Weren't you acting like she has no great speed feats? Obviously i do not agree with that.

I posted scans. One from Perez. Saying that she is too fast for speeding bullets, as she easily dodges a reain of bullets with the speed of a God. Then there is a scan from Pre Crisis. Saying she moves faster than bullets and neautrilizes the guns that are being shot at her blank point range beforre the bullets can hit her. Then there is a scan from Gail Simone where she also outspeeds a bullet. And again, i have also posted feats of greater speed than that of a bullet. So why would anybody have any doubts about how fast she is compared to bullets?

Originally posted by light889
I agree with what? Weren't you acting like she has no great speed feats? Obviously i do not agree with that.

I posted scans. One from Perez. Saying that she is too fast for speeding bullets, as she easily dodges a reain of bullets with the speed of a God. Then there is a scan from Pre Crisis. Saying she moves faster than bullets and neautrilizes the guns that are being shot at her blank point range beforre the bullets can hit her. Then there is a scan from Gail Simone where she also outspeeds a bullet. And again, i have also posted feats of greater speed than that of a bullet. So why would anybody have any doubts about how fast she is compared to bullets?

You shouldn't have posted anything since no one here in their right mind actually believes Diana is slower than bullets.
Its more like a joke thread Tbh. People just having fun.

You basically fell for the Okie doke.

People are still talking about Diana and bullets 🤦🏿?

Originally posted by carver9
He beat Superman so I think he is near Superman level.

Originally posted by carver9
People are still talking about Diana and bullets 🤦🏿?

Ok, let's change the topic, Carvello.

^ I haven't read every Wonder Woman issue since Siegfried was a guest character but I really don't recall Trevor being bisexual with him???

^ Dude just seems to be supportive of Siegfried's flamboyant lifestyle.

Might as well be Hercules' roommate.

But if those scenes are meant to be homosexual, ok.

I mean... if any comic series is going to promote homosexual narratives it oughtta be Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I think we need to step back and remind ourselves of the arguments here.

This all started with a poster saying DC wanks WW. Stoic then posts that Priest scan, and we start wondering if she's bulletproof or not.

Carver jumps in, and misunderstands, and thinks we're talking about speed. I then start to wonder - does she actually have any specific feats of her outrunning bullets? Like, I accept she has superspeed - again, do a search for Shattered God posts by Darksaint85, and you will see the number of times I use it - but I was specifically after feats where a villain (or hero) pulls a trigger, the bullet is fired and she outruns it.

Not scans of her flying around at Mach 3, or scans of her.... talking on the phone, or writing letters at superspeed. Outrunning bullets. Not dodging lasers or what have you.

Light, I think your argument would be a lot stronger if you just focussed on the task/question at hand. You obviously know your stuff, so out of the 82 years of WW's history (being generous here and not just limiting it to post -Crisis) does she have feats of her outrunning bullets and if so, how many are there?

A powerless WW is perfectly capable of blocking bullets. They break her arm, sure, but that is because she has no superstrength to back it up:

Ergo, she doesn't rely on her speed to block them. So her blocking bullets isn't necessarily a speed feat.

😕 hasn't there always been a distinction between speed and reaction time....? of which that is one...

Yes.

The new scans show her speed feats when blocking bullets aren't solely due to her being faster than bullets - she is completely powerless here, yet is still able to block them.

Her myriad bullet feats are questionable as pure speed feats, as her skills also obviously play a part.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes.

The new scans show her speed feats when blocking bullets aren't solely due to her being faster than bullets - she is completely powerless here, yet is still able to block them.

Her myriad bullet feats are questionable as pure speed feats, as her skills also obviously play a part.

side note:

You would NEED super powers to block bullets.

I dont see how ANY amount of martial arts training would prepare you to block objects moving faster than sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qY0DA7DG9s&ab_channel=YourDiscoveryScience

Heh, yet another sock account of Nvr.

Originally posted by TGATES
side note:

You would NEED super powers to block bullets.

I dont see how ANY amount of martial arts training would prepare you to block objects moving faster than sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qY0DA7DG9s&ab_channel=YourDiscoveryScience

Comics.

Can I introduce you to Batman?

That's dodging a sniper bullet that's...Mach 3.5, lol. AFTER it's fired. At his back. Whilst he's distracted by something else.

And here he is blocking them:
https://images4.imagebam.com/e4/5c/1f/MEB80QC_o.jpg
https://images4.imagebam.com/00/2e/88/MEB80NJ_o.jpg
https://images4.imagebam.com/41/da/08/MEB80LZ_o.jpg

It says something that WW has about the same bullet-speed and -proof feats as Batman, lol.

Here's a whole album of Daredevil batting bullets out of the air, lol:
https://imgur.com/a/bullet-swatting-yS4Wm

But if people don't like DD, then how about Shang-Chi? Even Katana, a B-lister, does it casually:

Colleen Wing:

Originally posted by Smurph
How much superspeed does Colleen Wing have

https://i.imgur.com/pbwoBQ5.jpg

mmm

Black Widow:

Originally posted by Smurph
Fair enough

On the scale of reacting to bullets after they're fired, where do we rank this?
https://imgur.io/a/lSi8XFO

Elektra has a bunch lol

Welcome to comics

hmm, i don't think anyone would really use bullet blocking feats as evidence of super speed. that'd be dumb. batman and dd are obvious examples that would counter that. now that's a far cry from say the shattered god feat.
bullets and lightspeed are different beasts altogether. or the scene where she effortlessly deflects bullets from two machine guns with one arm while casually removing her tiara with the other hand. to me THAT type of feat would also clearly demonstrate some level of super speed. not to mention she has clearly displayed super speed. superman stands and swats bullets. reaction feat. he's a block over and stops a bullet after it's fired from hitting someone. obvious super speed feat. guess i'm not sure what is trying to be proven? or disproven?

Originally posted by carver9
Now show the instances where she did outrun bullets.

For Leo to understand what is going on