Living Tribunal vs Spectre

Originally posted by operator616
Whatever you say.

ermm

Scan? no bs saying that it's just a visualization which doesn't prove anything, i want actual scan saying m-bodies don't operate at full power.

Why wouldn't that be prove when Eternity straight up said so?

Great feat for the watchers, i guess.

Uatu is more powerful than LT, confirmed.

which is capable of destroying universes, yes.

Two universes at most. Hyperion survived one.

Warlock was LT of a single actuality, which doesn't make a lotta sense but it is what it is.

He was stated to be more powerful than previous LT who was killed by Beyonders.

So which versions of spectre win/lose iyo?

Still not sure.

Originally posted by operator616
That's what i was expecting you to post hence my comment. Eternity being a visualization doesn't mean he doesn't have power or are you assuming he was just a hologram or something in warlock trial? Yes he sends a visualization -- a physical manifestation instead of appearing as a freakin' universe in a trial, but that doesn't mean his power is limited.

What more you need?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why wouldn't that be prove when Eternity straight up said so?
He straight up said that had he not sent a visualization, the gauntlet wouldn't have effected him.
What more you need?

Uatu is more powerful than LT, confirmed.

Two universes at most. Hyperion survived one.

He was stated to be more powerful than previous LT who was killed by Beyonders.

Still not sure.

Not sure what's so hard to understand here. Eternity uses m-bodies to interact with lowly creatures. These m-bodies can be physically harmed unlike his non-corporeal true self. But that doesn't mean he can't focus his full power through the m-body.

Equal would be more fair wouldn't you say?

Great feat for Hyperion i guess.

umm... i don't recall that?

Him holding brothers is his greatest feat. And it is a feat... he had power dominion over them.

Eternity pretty much says tha IG wouldn't have affect him if he was in his totality. Anyway, it's pretty clear Eternity knows that even in his totality is below LT.

Warlock LT > classic LT... even if it was stated it's ridiculously far from truth. Even you abhi shouldn't take that seriously, because that statement is a joke.

And it was pretty clear from THOTI that LT was top of the food chain.

And such huge power display over brothers is better than anything from Spectre and than most of comic characters ever.

Originally posted by operator616
Not sure what's so hard to understand here. Eternity uses m-bodies to interact with lowly creatures. These m-bodies can be physically harmed unlike his non-corporeal true self. But that doesn't mean he can't focus his full power through the m-body.

That's your theory, prove it first.

Equal would be more fair wouldn't you say?

Great feat for Hyperion i guess.

Yep, Hyperion=Uatu=LT.

umm... i don't recall that?

Originally posted by Inedian
Him holding brothers is his greatest feat. And it is a feat... he had power dominion over them.

Eternity pretty much says tha IG wouldn't have affect him if he was in his totality. Anyway, it's pretty clear Eternity knows that even in his totality is below LT.

Warlock LT > classic LT... even if it was stated it's ridiculously far from truth. Even you abhi shouldn't take that seriously, because that statement is a joke.

And it was pretty clear from THOTI that LT was top of the food chain.

And such huge power display over brothers is better than anything from Spectre and than most of comic characters ever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know Spectre was shown as a peer when LT was handling the "brothers", eh?

I know... but what LT did to Brothers was after Spectre and LT vs. Brothers and display of LT alone with Brothers was far more impressive and greater dominion than LT and Spectre vs them.

LT alone did that.

It wasn’t the actual Brothers, and, as Abhi just said, if you’re counting that “feat” as canon, his “hooded, spectral ally” is literally his one peer in that scenario. He couldn’t “hold them in his hand” without Spec’s okay.

I very lengthily break down why those aren’t the real Brothers in the LT vs Mxy thread if you’re interested. I totally forgot about that Adventures of X-Men comic til someone brought it back up

I must admit i haven't read comics in along time, so there are things i left and surely missed what happened in the meantime.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's your theory, prove it first.

Yep, Hyperion=Uatu=LT.

Infinity Finale.

So i take it you believe LT and co would go like "hey gang, there's a multiversal crisis going on right now, let's go in our super-depowered m-bodies to solve it"? There's nothing suggesting the m bodies are depowered. They're vulnerable, sure, not depowered.

Yeah, all of them are omniversal.

Post the scan. I smell something fishy here.

Originally posted by Inedian
I must admit i haven't read comics in along time, so there are things i left and surely missed what happened in the meantime.

Oh it’s really all good. I’m not nearly as well-versed as most other folks here, but the Amalgam/Access stuff is the only stuff I know I have down, and that Adventures of X-Men LT clip that popped up was so obscure it caught me off guard

Originally posted by operator616

So i take it you believe LT and co would go like "hey gang, there's a multiversal crisis going on right now, let's go in our super-depowered m-bodies to solve it"? There's nothing suggesting the m bodies are depowered. They're vulnerable, sure, not depowered.

Welcome back true debater.

I see you're in the muck with the low-ballin experts at kmc.

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The Marvel Brothers look exactly like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are locked in an eternal struggle just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

They have the same Name: ... The BROTHERS! ... lol

The Marvel Brothers battle with swords, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are blue and red, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)

The Marvel Brothers are guardians of the realities they architected, just like the original Brothers. (Marvel & DC)

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Coincidence? hm Not imo, but perhaps.

The originals were embodiments, and everything else is a perfect copy:

(Marvel vs DC)

(Adventures of the X-Men)

continues below:

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In Adventures of the X-Men:

Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin, who was currently an Executive Editor at DC,
approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.

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I used to debate against this, but I later accepted the evidence I investigated for myself,
the Spectre being alluded to being involved, but in the most obvious way:

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Interestingly enough,
I used to think the LT held the ALPHA & OMEGA on the other hand,
but in fact, it was always the BrotherS that ARE the Beginning & the End:

"Alpha & Omega revolve on the Wheel of Destiny ...
a Wheel spun by his mighty Hand .. A Hand soon opening
to allow two Brothers to assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."

Wow ... nice!

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So the LT undoubtably,
held the power/embodiment/beginning-end ... of Two MegaverseS in one hand.

Which at the time published, (97'😉 was all of Marvel and DC in his hand.

(at-least until 2007)

2005 Handbooks have Marvel and DC as Megaverses, inside a greater Omniverse.
2006 Handbooks really doesn't change that particularly.
\2007 Handbooks begin to use the terms interchangeably in some cases.

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This truth above is supported:

This page over at Marvuanapp hasn't been updated since mid 2004,
but at-least until then, this is the Bio of the Retcon BrotherS:

(bio was created by Marvel/DC comic book Writers)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

btw. The guy who created Marvunapp is the person who came up with the term "Megaverse"
which Marvel comics and even DC applies to their worlds.

stoned

The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"😉

Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up) 🙂

(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)

So, without question, the LT's bio (concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.

Why?

Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses! 👆

(2004)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."

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(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

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(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:

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The LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel, but instead two separate companies.

Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.

But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)

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Mike Carlin has not only been a Writer/Artist and Editor for DC comics,
but he was also the Executive Editor of DC during Adventures of the X-Men and then Vice President.
He was also the Creative Director at DC.
Mike was also an Editor in Marvel prior to becoming one of DC's major bosses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Carlin

Do you understand what it means to be the "Executive Editor" of a magazine? Christ!

Anywho,
Mike Carlin was not only the most respected person in DC at the time until he was replaced by Dan Didio,
but he even appeared On Panel in DC as the True Supreme Being!

I believe only Morrison has matched this.

Adventures of the X-Men ... is "non canon" you say.

Interesting, yet, it's referenced in the LT's Marvel bio as an actual event which took place.

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And Again! ... Mike Carlin, who was the Executive Editor in DC comics during Adventures of the X-Men,
was involved in said book:

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The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)

Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996) ... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)

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... see under Comments:

Ron Marz - DC and Marvel writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Marz

Dan Jurgens - DC writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jurgens

Claudio Castellini - Marvel/DC artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Castellini

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Mike Carlin did NOT work for Marvel during Adv. of the X-Men!

He was one of the 3 top bosses at DC comics in 1997 - before, during and after Adv. of the X-Men.

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I've been done with the intransigent circles. Good day low-ballers.

Yo Mr. Master I responded to your post like this in Mxy thread! http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=661861&pagenumber=3

Sorry if it’s too long. Can’t shorten it now!

Originally posted by Mr Master
I used to debate against this, but I later accepted the evidence I investigated for myself,
the [b]Spectre being alluded to being involved, but in the most obvious way:

Who is this who said that even his power pales into insignificance?

Originally posted by Inedian
Who is this who said that even his power pales into insignificance?

It’s Dweller-in-Darkness, but it’s the version of him specific to the Adventures of X-Men comics I was talkin about earlier, which really is its own universe/multiverse with similarities to 616 but mostly similar to the 90s X-men cartoons

Thanks 👆

No problemo if you’re a fandom/wiki fan like me this is a good short explanation

EDIT:

FIXED LINK