Living Tribunal vs Spectre

There's only one Dweller in Darkness. He originated in the Previous Universe like Galan.

He has no counter-parts, so when he appears on panel, it's him, the only him there is.

The problem with Adv. of the X-Men is that the book doesn't make it clear where/when it's situated.

It does tells us it's an alternate reality, but this is misleading, cause it is, but in a special way.

You see, Adv. of the X-Men reality, is supposed to represent
the previous universe that Galan came from, the very First reality ever.

Then in pure idiotic fashion, they jam the LT and Brothers (DC too wtf)
into the story,
in order to try and justify the creation of the New Marvel universe and DC, again wtf.

Spiraling further into absurdity,
they stamp the initiation of DC's creation along with Marvel's onto the M'Kraan Crystal, wtf.

So, the Crystal implodes both verses, then the LT, with Spectre's consent,
fashions the Brothers so that they (Brothers) can create/embody both verses.

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The story basically, was an attempt at retconning the creation story of both companies.

But they failed miserably because it ended up creating contradictions/paradoxes
that are beyond reconciliation even with the loopholes.

So, technically yes, as originally intended by Macchio & Carlin
the LT fashioned both DC and Marvel, and Spectre was LT's equal.

But, since this idealism crashes all thought and reason regarding DC ...

... let's just say, the LT fashioned two separate totalities.

One Marvel, the other? A mystery = to Marvel.

Ok fine, but my point, albeit very long in the other thread, was that even though there's an Easter Egg in a handbook that can correspond with that particular comic, it can't be considered anything more than non-canon good fun, even with a DC editor involved, if DC the company wasn't involved.

This was all done at a time when things between Marvel & DC were extremely rosy. They did engage in a shared omniverse, they went halves on several new characters and even a new universe. This was happening a lot and for a while.

So the fact that nowhere does DC, the company, actually support this anywhere themselves, or require their copyright disclaimer of their jointly-held trademarks of the "Brothers," Access, Amalgam, etc., which both companies do every time Access, an Amalgam, or an official crossover happens, then by definition of the very handbook writers who define their multiverses as being bound by the "comics line," that "brother" in LT's was never actually DC.

In my view, it was an attempt at the writers having some fun at the end of their non-616, (and also technically non-90s-toon-verse either) X-men run and decided to invite their friend from DC to hangout while they did it. Beyond that, the story makes no sense at all. It's a fun unofficial Easter Egg, the same way the Rutland Halloween Parade was as I explained in the other thread

Originally posted by operator616
So i take it you believe LT and co would go like "hey gang, there's a multiversal crisis going on right now, let's go in our super-depowered m-bodies to solve it"? There's nothing suggesting the m bodies are depowered. They're vulnerable, sure, not depowered.

This is just your opinion. Why not post the scan which confirms it.

Yeah, all of them are omniversal.

Apparently, getting killed is a feat.

Post the scan. I smell something fishy here.

Master is copy pasting again I see.

^^ I've been treating you with respect Ab, don't twist the mood.

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It was written by the Editor's in Chief of DC and Marvel.

So they were the one's having "fun."

And regardless of all the "fun" being had, it's all Canon to the LT. (official bio certified) 👆

So, case and point, the LT fashioned Two Comic Book Lines in one hand.

It doesn't have to be "DC" ... it's still another company nevertheless. 🙂

I've already shown you unlimited Access which is edited by both Tom Brevoort AND Mike Carlin. And published after Adventures of X men.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So much mental gymnastics that its not even funny.

And Ron Marz had Access come to Kyle in DCU in Jun 1997.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_Vol_3_87

And Access pretty much reiterated DC vs Marvel in Unlimited Access 1 which happened in Dec, 1997.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Unlimited_Access_Vol_1_1

Anybody can read it here.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Unlimited-Access/Issue-1?id=76650

While Adventures of X-men occurred in March 1997.

http://marvel.wikia.com/The_Adventures_of_the_X-Men_Vol_1_12

Adventures of X men is entirely non canon to DC. Unlimited Access is and that reiterated DC vs Marvel where LT was a gnat to Brothers.

Shut up troll.

You've been well educated, yet posting the same drivel again and again as if nobody else can read.

Originally posted by Mr Master

So, case and point, the [b]LT fashioned Two Comic Book Lines in one hand.

It doesn't have to be "DC" ... it's still another company nevertheless. 🙂 [/B]

Because as you've been truly schooled my son:

The Brothers were never demoted, de-powered, or un-stationed ...

... it was the LT and Spectre who were empowered, promoted, ascended in station.

lmao

Now please,
for the love of whatever toon god you worship,
pray for forgiveness, or for simply being you which is your greatest sin.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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That aside, you're completely wrong but the great comedy is wrong while using scans. hysterical

Because as you've been truly schooled my son:

The Brothers were never demoted, de-powered, or un-stationed ...

... it was the LT and Spectre who were empowered, promoted, ascended in station.

lmao

Now please,
for the love of whatever toon god you worship,
pray for forgiveness, or for simply being you which is your greatest sin.

Stop trolling.

Yeah I feel trolled. You’re saying it’s another company because the DC guy was there, but the other company isn’t DC?

You should pay attention to MY posts regarding MY posts ...

... instead of deciphering MY posts' meaning vicariously via the posts of another.

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I actually took that final stand from YOUR perspective.

So yes, without a doubt, the other Brother that is not Marvel

is another comic book company. Simple.

This is a FACT! according to Marvel and it's Head Handbook Writer... it's not to be debated.

You made an unsupported argument for it not being DC, I said fine.

I said, even if it isn't DC, "case and point" it's still another Comic Book Line. 👆

That's not being "trolled" ... That's being educated concerning Marvel supported FACTS! 🙂

😂

@Quick Freeze ... here's the case and point I was referring to. 🙂

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(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen:

"We have coined the term Megaverse

to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"

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(2006 Handbook description of the Brothers are MegaverseS) Jeff Christiansen:

"LT fashioned the twin cosmic entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"

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thankyou

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is a FACT! according to Marvel and it's Head Handbook Writer... it's not to be debated.

@Master dude I totally respect you and everything, and you never went to look at my really long response in LT vs Mxy (where I said I find your argument compelling and fun and all that), which is fine because I got the gist of that post out here already. I do follow your line of reasoning. I just disagree.

Your evidence comes from Marvel publications only. Maybe if there was a similar shot of the Spectre holding "Brothers" in his hand in a Teen Titans Go! comic adaptation, and a DC Handbook vaguely referenced this retcon as well, it would be much harder to dispute.

Just because Macchio was buddies with Carlin, and wanted to do something cool and different for the end of his run, and just because other writers wanted to have some fun and give us some handbook Easter Eggs, it doesn't mean it actually counts. It gives us fun water cooler convo, like when "Wong" showed Kyle Rayner around Greenwich Village.

It only actually counts when both companies actually sign off, not just when writers/presidents/whoever simply indicate, even strongly indicate, something. When Access appears in GL #87, the fine print explains that Access, Amalgam, etc. are "jointly-held trademarks of Marvel & DC."

If those truly were the Marvel/DC Brothers, they would have said so explicitly, both in the comic and in the handbook. If this was a true retcon, Spectre would have been mentioned by name, not by description.

You point it out over and over again. The Chief Editor at DC at the time was sitting right there! How hard would it have been to secure the rights and do it properly? Again, this was a time when actual official crossovers were happening left and right! The fact that he was somehow involved, and STILL didn't sign off, or try to make the retcon official with DC too, in my humble opinion, gives us all the facts we need.

Are we agreeing that the Blue "brother" in LT's hand then is just some totally different imaginary universe?

I did look at your long response. It's why I decided to look at it from your perspective.

And looking at it from your perspective, the DC affiliation doesn't matter.

Btw, You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Marvel Comics,
and what they do with their Comics and creations.

Originally posted by Mr Master

So yes, without a doubt, the other Brother that is not Marvel

is another comic book company. Simple.

This is a Fact! according to Marvel Comics.

I said, even if it isn't DC, "case and point" it's still another Comic Book Line. 👆

I appreciate the mutual respect we honored in this discussion.

I can tell you're fair and balanced minded. And I always admire that. 👆

Sounds good 👆

spectre

Originally posted by MrMind
spectre

At "peak?" ...

They were portrayed as equals.

In DC vs Marvel .... and, in Adventures of the X-Men.

But, in Adventures of the X-Men,
they were both above everything/anything in Marvel or DC. Heck, they created both Brothers.

if anyone wants to dismiss DC being involved in Adv. of the X-Men,
then they have to dismiss Spectre's involvement in the feat,
which means, it leaves the LT alone as the sole creator of TWO comic book lines. 👆

In this case: At "peak?" ... The LT wtfshitstomps any Spectre.

Any Spectre? Nah, Spectre with Logoz destroys the LT.