Originally posted by Adam Grimes
This is yet another logical fallacy, my not so smart friend. 👆
It doesn't require much neurons to realize that the opinion of someone who works off fights is of better quality than that of D.Thor's.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you're strawmanning as nobody is claiming that merely fighting the Hulk makes Thor skilled. DT and me are pointing what he did during the fight shows a high level of skill.
And what exactly did Thor do to make him contest Cap, who in turn is beating guys like Bucky and BP?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
So, fighting The Hulk who is one of MCU's worse fighters makes Thor better than Cap!?
Firstly Ragnarok Hulk was being trained by Valkyrie so youre giving him a lot less credit than he deserves.
Secondly it shows Thor handling an opponent in H2H considerably stronger than himself.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderAnd what exactly did Thor do to make him contest Cap, who in turn is beating guys like Bucky and BP?
Fat Thor and Thanos disarmed each other in a sword fight. Thanos who according to the Russos is the best H2H fighter in the Galaxy.
Thats way more impressive than going back and forth against Winter Soldier. And BP is clearly the superior weapons combatant to Cap.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
So CBR and the expert's opinion, alongside maybe what? 100 pages of Cap being a better fighter than Thor is wrong but you are correct?I can definitely build my own case on how Cap is definitely way better than Thor in H2H and weapon's training, but why should I?
But why should I bother on the already accepted by the non-biased?
CBR has placed Trish Walker above Thor. Thats retarded.
Your expert has put Ramai Spider-Man above Thor. And only gave Black Widow points for her head butts and nothing else.
So even though the experts views were interesting, his ranking is still kinda moot.
You need to learn to make your own case.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Firstly Ragnarok Hulk was being trained by Valkyrie so youre giving him a lot less credit than he deserves.Secondly it shows Thor handling an opponent in H2H considerably stronger than himself.
Fat Thor and Thanos disarmed each other in a sword fight. Thanos who according to the Russos is the best H2H fighter in the Galaxy.
Thats way more impressive than going back and forth against Winter Soldier. And BP is clearly the superior weapons combatant to Cap.
Yeah, Rag.Hulk is more rational but hasn't really displayed much skill either.
Thanos was also considerably stronger than Worthy Cap.
Yeah, how did the H2H faired Thor?
Except Cap wasn't disarmed.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1)Yeah, Rag.Hulk is more rational but hasn't really displayed much skill either.2)Thanos was also considerably stronger than Worthy Cap.
3)Yeah, how did the H2H faired Thor?
4)Except Cap wasn't disarmed.
1) Or maybe Thors centuries of combat experience just made Hulk seem like a novice.
2) Cap lost against an unarmed Thanos. So Whats your point?
3) Took a beating Cap isnt capable of taking. Worthy or not.
4) Actually Cap never disarmed Thanos. He should kiss Thors butt for doing that for him. And Thanos did disarm Cap of Mjolnir, then went on to slice up his shield.
Thor faired Miles better in armed combat against Thanos. Not even comparable.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Or maybe Thors centuries of combat experience just made Hulk seem like a novice.2) Cap lost against an unarmed Thanos. So Whats your point?
3) Took a beating Cap isnt capable of taking. Worthy or not.
4) Actually Cap never disarmed Thanos. He should kiss Thors butt for doing that for him. And Thanos did disarm Cap of Mjolnir, then went on to slice up his shield.
Thor faired Miles better in armed combat against Thanos. Not even comparable.
1) Or maybe you are just speculating.
2) What?
3) Prove it. Worthy Cap has Thor's powers, ergo his durability. Or are you going to now say that Thor's durability isn't a power just as you did with strength? 😂
4) What a joke. So, you judge a battle based on who gets disarmed!? 😂
You are clearly desperate to find methods to lowball W.Cap.
Here's a hint at why you are wrong, Cap had a longer fight with Thanos than Thor did.
In any case, Thor should be kissing Cap's ass for saving his life
Your love for Thor clouds your judgement.
The problem with Infinity War and Endgame (especially Endgame) is that consistency of feats and power levels and a whole character's trilogy arc (Thor) went right on out the window.
- Ragnarok Thor is as powerful as ever without a hammer when that film is all said and done.
- He desperately needs Stormbreaker to be able to defeat Thanos, then goes SS2 once he gets Stormbreaker to curbstomp Thanos w/ the Infinity Gauntlet (and anyone else in his way).
- Becomes a fatboi in Endgame and goes back to brawling instead of just zapping base Thanos to death with lightning. On that note, why didn't he just zap Thanos with lightning at the beginning of Infinity War?
Anyways, made for some great entertaining action movies, but the script has some serious continuity issues, especially when looking at previous MCU movies. Then again, it's basically a 23-movie long film serial after Far From Home, so the fact that any continuity is stuck to, and usually adhered to very very well, is quite the feat in itself.
With that in mind, Rag Thor is way too powerful, strong, and durable along with being plenty agile and skilled for Steve to be able to beat him. If Cap can keep a chain combo going with the hammer and shield combo like he did for a couple of strikes on Thanos, it should stagger Thor, but this is Thor getting ground-pounded by Hulk and stabbed by Hela to no ill effect. And then the question of if they can hurt each other with lightning comes up.
Going purely by feats, Steve fights valiantly at first till Thor gets serious and pummels him.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
The problem with Infinity War and Endgame (especially Endgame) is that consistency of feats and power levels and a whole character's trilogy arc (Thor) went right on out the window.- Ragnarok Thor is as powerful as ever without a hammer when that film is all said and done.
- He desperately needs Stormbreaker to be able to defeat Thanos, then goes SS2 once he gets Stormbreaker to curbstomp Thanos w/ the Infinity Gauntlet (and anyone else in his way).
- Becomes a fatboi in Endgame and goes back to brawling instead of just zapping base Thanos to death with lightning. On that note, why didn't he just zap Thanos with lightning at the beginning of Infinity War?Anyways, made for some great entertaining action movies, but the script has some serious continuity issues, especially when looking at previous MCU movies. Then again, it's basically a 23-movie long film serial after Far From Home, so the fact that any continuity is stuck to, and usually adhered to very very well, is quite the feat in itself.
With that in mind, Rag Thor is way too powerful, strong, and durable along with being plenty agile and skilled for Steve to be able to beat him. If Cap can keep a chain combo going with the hammer and shield combo like he did for a couple of strikes on Thanos, it should stagger Thor, but this is Thor getting ground-pounded by Hulk and stabbed by Hela to no ill effect. And then the question of if they can hurt each other with lightning comes up.
Going purely by feats, Steve fights valiantly at first till Thor gets serious and pummels him.
I am grateful for a well rounded and built up argument.
The biggest issue I see with R.Thor for this match is that most of his attacks rely on lightning.
The thing here is that both R.Thor and W.Cap are Gods of Thunder, and therefore, lightning is irrelevant here.
So, it all turns into melee attacks.
Considering that both are as strong and as durable, it all comes down to fighting skills, which I confidently believe Steve has the edge on. That and the fact that Steve has Mjolnir and his shield whereas Thor has bare hands.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I am grateful for a well rounded and built up argument.The biggest issue I see with R.Thor for this match is that most of his attacks rely on lightning.
The thing here is that both R.Thor and W.Cap are Gods of Thunder, and therefore, lightning is irrelevant here.
So, it all turns into melee attacks.
Considering that both are as strong and as durable, it all comes down to fighting skills, which I confidently believe Steve has the edge on. That and the fact that Steve has Mjolnir and his shield whereas Thor has bare hands.
Jesus ****ing H man!
So now your saying that Cap is now as strong and durable as Thor because he has the hammer?
Pay attention to what your saying, if that’s true, the how come Thor still possessed his strength and durability after Cap held the hammer?
The only thing cal received from the hammer was the ability to harness lighting, nothing else.
Hell, Odin even cloned in part 3, that the hammer never gave Ghor his powers, it was just a conduit for him.
Originally posted by SquallX
Jesus ****ing H man!So now your saying that Cap is now as strong and durable as Thor because he has the hammer?
Pay attention to what your saying, if that’s true, the how come Thor still possessed his strength and durability after Cap held the hammer?
The only thing cal received from the hammer was the ability to harness lighting, nothing else.
Hell, Odin even cloned in part 3, that the hammer never gave Ghor his powers, it was just a conduit for him.
😂 You don't seem capable of recognizing your strawman.
I never said Endgame version of Thor is the King Thor from the comics. I said that Thor is king, which is the case, and therefore he is King Thor.
Furthermore, the MCU has made it ample clear that they aren't following the comics, therefore, what makes you think that Endgame version of Thor ain't MCU's version of King Thor?
I never said that Thor is a good king or that it reassembles the comics, stop strawmanning me boy.
Odin's words were clear, and Thor's strenght and durability were deprived when he was unworthy. You not liking Cap being as powerful as Thor doesn't change facts.
Did Odin said that whosoever became worthy would "steal/deprive" Thor from his powers.
In other words, there is no limit in saying that there could be 3 Gods of Thunder as far as Odin's words are concerned.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you under the impression that being King of Asgard comes with a power boost in the MCU?
Did I say so? Where? I said King Thor to make reference to Endgame version of Thor, nothing else.
Also, I find it hilarious that you guys believe that being King Thor implies having the Odinforce, when in reality they are independent.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
😂 You don't seem capable of recognizing your strawman.I never said Endgame version of Thor is the King Thor from the comics. I said that Thor is king, which is the case, and therefore he is King Thor.
Furthermore, the MCU has made it ample clear that they aren't following the comics, therefore, [B]what makes you think that Endgame version of Thor ain't MCU's version of King Thor?
I never said that Thor is a good king or that it reassembles the comics, stop strawmanning me boy.
Odin's words were clear, and Thor's strenght and durability were deprived when he was unworthy. You not liking Cap being as powerful as Thor doesn't change facts.
Did Odin said that whosoever became worthy would "steal/deprive" Thor from his powers.
In other words, there is no limit in saying that there could be 3 Gods of Thunder as far as Odin's words are concerned. [/B]
Sorry Squallx, I mixed the other thread with this one. Obmit the King Thor argument.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1) Or maybe you are just speculating.2) What?
3) Prove it. Worthy Cap has Thor's powers, ergo his durability. Or are you going to now say that Thor's durability isn't a power just as you did with strength? 😂
4) What a joke. So, you judge a battle based on who gets disarmed!? 😂
You are clearly desperate to find methods to lowball W.Cap.
Here's a hint at why you are wrong, Cap had a longer fight with Thanos than Thor did.
[B]In any case, Thor should be kissing Cap's ass for saving his life
Your love for Thor clouds your judgement. [/B]
1) No, we literally saw Valkyrie training Hulk. We literally saw Hulk wielding weapons he had never seen him prior to Ragnarok. These are all facts.
2) im asking what your point is. Go back and read.
3) Youve yet to prove Caps strength or durability are equal to Thors. He certainly didnt possess Thors combat speed, agility, lightning control, or flight capabilities. You are just speculating.
4) Yes I judge whose better at armed combat by who can disarm Thanos.
I think its pretty clear whose biased here. Hint: the guy who can not give feats to back up his arguments.