That line of thinking is good and all, but in the particular instance of EG it doesn't seem to apply.
Maybe it's inconsistency, maybe the Russo have a different interpretation of how the hammer works, maybe Odin locked Thor's strength/durability in Mjolnir just until he became worthy again that first time in Thor 1 etc. The point is that in this movie it doesn't appear, by feats, to have given Steve that much of a physical amp.
Originally posted by ares834
Or maybe you guys are just flat out wrong and the hammer gives people the "power of Thor" just as the hammer says and just as it works in the comics.
Nobody is disagreeing with that. The debate is whether Thor's natural strength and durability are considered part of his powers.
Originally posted by ares834
And as I pointed out, when Odin strips him of his powers he loses his strength and durability...
And as many have already pointed out, Odin might have stripped him not only of his powers but of his Asgardian physiology as well. It's like saying if you removed Captain Marvel's powers, would she suddenly be as weak as a 5 year old kid?
Originally posted by FrothByteAre you interested in repping Superman or should I seek elsewhere?
And as many have already pointed out, Odin might have stripped him not only of his powers but of his Asgardian physiology as well. It's like saying if you removed Captain Marvel's powers, would she suddenly be as weak as a 5 year old kid?
Originally posted by FrothByteAlrught, I will seek it elsewhere. If I cannot find a competent poster I deem worthy I will be back for Thor. D. Thor is not worthy.
Not at this moment. Though I have no doubt that JL Superman would win against Endgame Thanos, I'm not particularly keen to have to review BvS and JL footage to argue for it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And as many have already pointed out, Odin might have stripped him not only of his powers but of his Asgardian physiology as well.
Did you skip the second half of my post? When he proves himself worthy and reclaims Mjolnir he gets his strength and durability back. In other words, Thor's strength and such are also part of the suite of powers granted by the hammer.
Originally posted by ares834
Did you skip the second half of my post? When he proves himself worthy and reclaims Mjolnir he gets his strength and durability back. In other words, Thor's strength and such are also part of the suite of powers granted by the hammer.
And again, this is why there is a debate going on. Because Cap didn't seem to acquired Thor's strength and durability after being given Thor's powers. Neither did Vision seem any different when he picked up the hammer. And when Thor finally unlocked his full powers in Ragnarok, it's not like he gained extra strength and durability.
The reason why we're having this debate is because the movies have been inconsistent with this.
Also, seeing as all Asgardians are naturally stronger than humans, are you saying that all of them have superpowers?
Originally posted by ares834Did Thor become human again when Hela destroyed Mjolnir?
Did you skip the second half of my post? When he proves himself worthy and reclaims Mjolnir he gets his strength and durability back. In other words, Thor's strength and such are also part of the suite of powers granted by the hammer.
What about when he took the Mjolnir from the Alternate Thor? Did he get that Thor's strength?
Originally posted by FrothByte
And again, this is why there is a debate going on. Because Cap didn't seem to acquired Thor's strength and durability after being given Thor's powers. Neither did Vision seem any different when he picked up the hammer. And when Thor finally unlocked his full powers in Ragnarok, it's not like he gained extra strength and durability.The reason why we're having this debate is because the movies have been inconsistent with this.
Also, seeing as all Asgardians are naturally stronger than humans, are you saying that all of them have superpowers?
And I'm pointing out it's a stupid argument that relies on fallible interpretation of feats. Thor flat out shows us that Mjolnir grants Thor's strength and durability. There is no reason to believe the rules on the hammer changed.
Originally posted by ares834
And I'm pointing out it's a stupid argument that relies on fallible interpretation of feats. Thor flat out shows us that Mjolnir grants Thor's strength and durability. There is no reason to believe the rules on the hammer changed.
No, it's a valid argument since Endgame shows flat out that Cap is not as physically strong as Thor. In the MvF, feats trump implied ideas.
And again, are you saying every single Asgardian has magical super powers?
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, it's a valid argument since Endgame shows flat out that Cap is not as physically strong as Thor. In the MvF, feats trump implied ideas.And again, are you saying every single Asgardian has magical super powers?
It's not "implied" it's outright stated and shown. But, if you want a feat, then how about Cap rocking Thanos and sending him flying with a hammer slam. That's well outside Cap's usual striking zone.
And I don't know about Asgardians. However, the hammer grants Thor's strength regardless.