Woman sentenced to 20 years in prison for sex with her teen student

Originally posted by Surtur
There are different consequences for girls, but it doesn't make it any more or less okay to be banging a 13 yr. old boy. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I can't see either thing as okay.

But when I was 13, it is exactly what I wanted and would still be something I want as an adult (if I am single at the time).

I cannot ever envision myself as a victim. Seems immoral and inappropriate to view myself as a victim if just one of my endeavors with the multiple adult women I liked as a 13 year old, worked out.

This is why we need a near godlike AI that can know the thoughts and feelings of people. That way, we can determine very definitively if someone was a victim. Then all the victimization people claim all the time can be disproven or proven.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But when I was 13, it is exactly what I wanted and would still be something I want as an adult (if I am single at the time).

I cannot ever envision myself as a victim. Seems immoral and inappropriate to view myself as a victim if just one of my endeavors with the multiple adult women I liked as a 13 year old, worked out.

This is why we need a near godlike AI that can know the thoughts and feelings of people. That way, we can determine very definitively if someone was a victim. Then all the victimization people claim all the time can be disproven or proven.

I'm not saying boys that age wouldn't want it, but there would be girls that age who want it too.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not saying boys that age wouldn't want it, but there would be girls that age who want it too.

I cannot go into details while at work for why it is physically different for a girl.

But...dude...there are some logistics, here. Obvious ones. Read between the lines.

Maybe, but when I was that age I absolutely knew of some girls who were down to f*ck our social studies teacher.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But when I was 13, it is exactly what I wanted and would still be something I want as an adult (if I am single at the time).

I cannot ever envision myself as a victim. Seems immoral and inappropriate to view myself as a victim if just one of my endeavors with the multiple adult women I liked as a 13 year old, worked out.

This is why we need a near godlike AI that can know the thoughts and feelings of people. That way, we can determine very definitively if someone was a victim. Then all the victimization people claim all the time can be disproven or proven.

13yos want a lot of things, doesn't mean adults should cater to their every whim.

Originally posted by Surtur
Maybe, but when I was that age I absolutely knew of some girls who were down to f*ck our social studies teacher.

And it's possible some could. But I think you're getting it: some physically would not be able to go through with the idea.

This is why I think there's a difference. I'm not being sexist. There's a reason why they die much more often at that age when they try to have babies (but this is a slightly different anatomical reason).

Originally posted by Robtard
13yos want a lot of things, doesn't mean adults should cater to their every whim.

That's if you view them as stupid children and not adults.

They are neither.

They are something between being capable of adult intelligence and decisions but still have some childlike poor decision making.

I don't know if you remember what it was like to be a teen but I certainly didn't like to be called a child because I wasn't.

Edit - I should point out that some women never grow out of this and think that men should cater to their every whim. Terrible people. More childlike than many teens. They shouldn't be entering into adult relationships, imo. Not until they grow up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's if you view them as stupid children and not adults.

They are neither.

They are something between being capable of adult intelligence and decisions but still have some childlike poor decision making.

I don't know if you remember what it was like to be a teen but I certainly didn't like to be called a child because I wasn't.

Edit - I should point out that some women never grow out of this and think that men should cater to their every whim. Terrible people. More childlike than many teens. They shouldn't be entering into adult relationships, imo. Not until they grow up.

I view them as children, not adults and children often want things that wouldn't be good for them. ****ing an adult is one of them.

I remember being sexually attracted to adult women at 13 (even younger), teachers, my elder brother's lady friends, neighbors, doesn't mean they should have catered to my barely out of childhood teen desires.

And a fully adult woman should feel as you do.

Honestly, those old cases where judges openly state a young boy who is willing and eager, is NOT a victim, says a lot more about those old bastards then anything.

On their views of women, children, social contracts, sex...

Originally posted by Robtard
I remember being sexually attracted to adult women at 13 (even younger), teachers, my elder brother's lady friends, neighbors, doesn't mean they should have catered to my barely out of childhood teen desires.

But...neither you nor I grew out of these desires. They didn't magically go away on our 18th birthday (or 16th, depending on your state).

What about countries that have a much lower age of consent? Do all of the people in that country magically get a giant dose of wisdom 2-4 years earlier than Americans?

This is why I think these should be done on a case by case basis. They have the text messages. They can tell if she acted like a predator or not.

Also, that 11 year old lookout: who had him do that? If it was her, she should go to jail? If he set it all up, he knew what he was doing and is not a victim.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But...neither you nor I grew out of these desires. They didn't magically go away on our 18th birthday (or 16th, depending on your state).

What about countries that have a much lower age of consent? Do all of the people in that country magically get a giant dose of wisdom 2-4 years earlier than Americans?

This is why I think these should be done on a case by case basis. They have the text messages. They can tell if she acted like a predator or not.

Also, that 11 year old lookout: who had him do that? If it was her, she should go to jail? If he set it all up, he knew what he was doing and is not a victim.

Other countries laws, are not our laws.

And if a 30 year old woman is in sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, they are a predator. With adulthood, comes responsibility and social norms. One of those norms, is children do NOT live in the same world as adults. Period.

Originally posted by cdtm
Other countries laws, are not our laws.

And if a 30 year old woman is in sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, they are a predator. With adulthood, comes responsibility and social norms. One of those norms, is children do NOT live in the same world as adults. Period.

Again, that's not a child. Dehumanizing them into imbeciles by using the catch-all child label is a logical fallacy: appeal to emotion.

You cannot pretend they are adults but you cannot pretend they are children. You cannot erase millions of years of evolution overnight: this age thing only became a big deal in the last 200ish years (and that's a good thing: if you read about the mortality rates of the ancient South American women in that one large study they did, it's ridiculous. IIRC, 1/3 died if they got pregnant before 15. The reason they did this study was to determine our early reproductive habits and health. We thought we'd see evolution at play because mortality should drop as only those women adapted to birth would survive - it didn't really happen, we didn't see it in the data. It is one of those conundrums we haven't quite solved. But modern medicine fixed this, almost completely, in modern countries. But the one thing that was shared for many years is an average age mortality sharply decreased after 14 or 15 - we just aren't built for making babies before then.).

I can boil down your argument to this:
"Stop wanting to and having relationships with other sexually mature humans."

All of humans with the same genes from the last 2 million years: "Wait...we can't."

Here's how it works with all other animals:

"That's a sexually mature creature of my same species. They appear great. I am able to see they are perfect for reproduction. Let's have at it."

There are clear differences between teens, as well. Some don't mature until 17-19. Some, like me, are all the way done when they are 11 (I was shaving and only grew half an inch taller).

I'll leave that to the pediatricians and child psychologists, as much as I loath mental health fields.

But there's good, practical reasons to keep a divide. Like the fact a 14 year old with a kid to support is pretty much ****ed, in terms of ever finishing his education or getting a career off the ground. 18 years of age is about when they finish the bare minimum's, and can enter the work force and care for a family of their own, if they choose to do so.

Kids having kids is had for them, bad for us, bad for the kids kids.

Originally posted by cdtm
But there's good, practical reasons to keep a divide. Like the fact a 14 year old with a kid to support is pretty much ****ed, in terms of ever finishing his education or getting a career off the ground. 18 years of age is about when they finish the bare minimum's, and can enter the work force and care for a family of their own, if they choose to do so.

Kids having kids is had for them, bad for us, bad for the kids kids.

No, you're right. You'r absolutely right. All data points that having a kid as a teen creates bad outcomes for the mothers and the children. In today's world, of course.

But that's one part of it.

What if 13 year old dadudemon didn't have any kids when he entered into that relationship with the particular hot science teacher? What is your argument, then? At 13, I knew how to avoid having children. Pretty much all of my male peers did as well.

So is it now okay because I wouldn't knock-up my 24 year old science teacher?

Originally posted by dadudemon
At 13, I knew how to avoid having children. Pretty much all of my male peers did as well.

Did You Really? Did THEY?

At 13.... I highly Doubt it...unless you are counting Pre mature.....You know....

Originally posted by dadudemon
But...neither you nor I grew out of these desires. They didn't magically go away on our 18th birthday (or 16th, depending on your state).

What about countries that have a much lower age of consent? Do all of the people in that country magically get a giant dose of wisdom 2-4 years earlier than Americans?

This is why I think these should be done on a case by case basis. They have the text messages. They can tell if she acted like a predator or not.

Also, that 11 year old lookout: who had him do that? If it was her, she should go to jail? If he set it all up, he knew what he was doing and is not a victim.

Correct, we didn't, but with age generally comes the maturity to better deal with sex and sexual relations and the repercussions that can come with having sex.

What about them? I think it's still wrong for 47yo Ahmad to marry and have sex with his 13yo wife even if it's legal in his country.

I'm glad that most of us agree that an adult f*cking a child is wrong 👆

Except for when the Democratic Left sides with actual Pedophiles.

Democrats have a Pedo Problem...yes they are ok with it.

and yes... Bashy has a Weed Problem.

😮‍💨

my post seems to have triggered starfly. wonder why

Originally posted by dadudemon
But when I was 13, it is exactly what I wanted and would still be something I want as an adult (if I am single at the time).

I cannot ever envision myself as a victim. Seems immoral and inappropriate to view myself as a victim if just one of my endeavors with the multiple adult women I liked as a 13 year old, worked out.

This is why we need a near godlike AI that can know the thoughts and feelings of people. That way, we can determine very definitively if someone was a victim. Then all the victimization people claim all the time can be disproven or proven.

This is the liberetarian in you🙂

All jokes aside, no matter how much we wanted to bang out teachers, our parents send us to school to be looked after and educated (yes sex ed el oh el)

But still teachers banging their 13 year old students is wrong.