Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Tbf Kryptonians in MoS weren't portrayed to be nearly as fast as BvS or JL Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8
Imo, Faora was.
Just because there is no flash in Mos does not mean that the portrayal wasn't there.If Flash was in Mos then he would be shown as slightly faster.
At best I would say Faora and WW are peers in speed (the advantage one has over the other is not significant).
Here is your original claim. As of yet you have provided no proof
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I wouldnt say changed. I would say evolved.Either his powers evolved, or his use of them evolved.
Either way there was a clear on screen evolution there.
He has already been under the Sun for 30+ years. I don't think there's a reason to think another 2-3 years would make him so much more powerful than before. Like I said, he was already performing unquantifiable strength feats in MoS. I think it's much like the comics, Superman has to push himself into super speed mode consciously, which is why he's not always operating at Flash-level speeds.
Originally posted by Psychotron
He has already been under the Sun for 30+ years. I don't think there's a reason to think another 2-3 years would make him so much more powerful than before. Like I said, he was already performing unquantifiable strength feats in MoS. I think it's much like the comics, Superman has to push himself into super speed mode consciously, which is why he's not always operating at Flash-level speeds.
Like I said, His Use of his own powers may have evolved.
But my point is there was a clear distinction in the use of his speed between the three films. Justice League Superman especially seemed to be in a different league altogether.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Just as long as we are clear that you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that she is anywhere near as fast as JL Superman.
1. She is portrayed to be as fast as Superman (or faster). That goes for all Cavil Superman in all his movies without an amp.
2. You have no proof that her speed feat is significantly worst than JL Superman speed feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
2. You have no proof that her speed feat is significantly worst than JL Superman speed feat.
She is Visually portrayed Massively slower than JL Superman.
I dont get whats so difficult to understand.
If your claim is Directors intention was for her to be invisible to the human eye, then you will need Director commentary to back that up.
Originally posted by h1a8
That goes for all Cavil Superman in all his movies
Directors commentary to back this up please. Otherwise quit the trolling.
Theres clearly a huge difference in Cavilles speed between films. Whether that was his powers amping or just the use of his powers getting better, doesnt matter. Because the difference is clearly there. Not just visually, but by power scaling against Wonder Woman.
So either provide proof or quit the trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. She is portrayed to be as fast as Superman (or faster). That goes for all Cavil Superman in all his movies without an amp.2. You have no proof that her speed feat is significantly worst than JL Superman speed feat.
I have the speed she was visually shown to be at. which is considerably slower than JL Superman
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Like I said, His Use of his own powers may have evolved.But my point is there was a clear distinction in the use of his speed between the three films. Justice League Superman especially seemed to be in a different league altogether.
We know Faora was fast due to that scene where she owns the soldiers, and Superman kept up with her just fine, so it stands to reason that he has the reflexes and speed even in MoS.
Originally posted by Psychotron
We know Faora was fast due to that scene where she owns the soldiers, and Superman kept up with her just fine, so it stands to reason that he has the reflexes and speed even in MoS.
No because she was faster than him in MOS, and even her MOS speed pales in comparison to JL Supermans speed.
Power scaling off Wonder Woman also makes a clear distinction between BvS and JL Superman.
So like I said he may have had suppressed already in MOS, but his use of it massively improved. Either it was a character change or a power set change, but there was definitely a change going by all available evidence.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
She is Visually portrayed Massively slower than JL Superman.I dont get whats so difficult to understand.
If your claim is Directors intention was for her to be invisible to the human eye, then you will need Director commentary to back that up.
Directors commentary to back this up please. Otherwise quit the trolling.
Theres clearly a huge difference in Cavilles speed between films. Whether that was his powers amping or just the use of his powers getting better, doesnt matter. Because the difference is clearly there. Not just visually, but by power scaling against Wonder Woman.
So either provide proof or quit the trolling.
Visually JL Superman was moving in slow motion. So get that BS out of here saying that he moved visually faster.
Please prove that Faora was moving significantly slower than JL Superman. Don't be lazy, bust out some calculations.
Because honestly, I don't believe she was moving significantly slower at all.
At 0:16 she blitzes instantly in bursts. Each bursts is like an instant teleport.
YouTube video
Please prove that JL Superman was significantly faster.
Look at 1:53
Originally posted by h1a8
1)There is no proof that the writer's portrayed or intends for Superman in JL to be significantly faster than Faora.2)Visually JL Superman was moving in slow motion. So get that BS out of here saying that he moved visually faster.
3)Please prove that Faora was moving significantly slower than JL Superman. Don't be lazy, bust out some calculations.
Because honestly, I don't believe she was moving significantly slower at all.4)At 0:16 she blitzes instantly in bursts. Each bursts is like an instant teleport.
YouTube video5)Please prove that JL Superman was significantly faster.
Look at 1:53
1) Yes there is. Given he was multiple times faster.
2) To the Flash sure. Have you seen how the Flash looks to the human eye? At 0:13:
Did you see that h1? Did you?
3) really you want calculations? How shall I measure what speed the Flash very casually draws on that mans face? 1 minute to draw divided by the 0.1 second it happens in? You figure it out. Actually save me your usual BS calls. And Superman not only entered this Flashs time space, but managed to hit him as well.
4) I literally see her moving and hitting them. Like wth is this? Your trolling is getting to an all time high here?
5) Lol what are you showing me? The bit before he enters his little speed Force? And yet a bulls timer, a cyborg and Aquaman together are having difficulty even landing a hit on him. But hey Faora Visually blitzed Humans. Wow.
And The fact that Wonder Woman is frozen to him is clearly a massive improvement over BvS where neither was Doomsday frozen to Supes, nor was Wonder Woman frozen to Doomsday.
But hey h1 just ignore the blatant evidence and just carry on making up your own BS I.e. Carry on with your blatant trolling.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No because she was faster than him in MOS, and even her MOS speed pales in comparison to JL Supermans speed.Power scaling off Wonder Woman also makes a clear distinction between BvS and JL Superman.
So like I said he may have had suppressed already in MOS, but his use of it massively improved. Either it was a character change or a power set change, but there was definitely a change going by all available evidence.
Are you out of your mind? She was more skilled than him, which is why she spanked him at first, but when Superman got mad he bullrushed her and she couldn't react. She had to be saved by Nam-Ek in that fight.
Superman never fought Wonder Woman in BvS, and you can't scale off Doomsday since Superman weakened by Kryptonite and hit by a nuke when he fought him. We don't know how much sunlight he absorbed when he was drifting in space or if he was at 100%.
In fact, having just rewatched that fight, Wonder Woman doesn't really land any hits on Doomsday without Superman there to distract him aside from the one where she cuts off his hand. DD tags her plenty of times, however.
Originally posted by PsychotronIn fact, having just rewatched that fight, Wonder Woman doesn't really land any hits on Doomsday without Superman there to distract him aside from the one where she cuts off his hand. DD tags her plenty of times, however.
She fought Doomsday solo when Superman went to save Lois.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Are you out of your mind? She was more skilled than him, which is why she spanked him at first, but when Superman got mad he bullrushed her and she couldn't react. She had to be saved by Nam-Ek in that fight.
The key part there is bulrush. In actual H2H she was dancing around him. We never saw him run/move at the speeds she did, sans flying.
There was a clear difference in speed portrayal and time perception between this, BvS and JL. Like a HUGE difference. There simply no getting around that.
Originally posted by PsychotronSuperman never fought Wonder Woman in BvS, and you can't scale off Doomsday since Superman weakened by Kryptonite and hit by a nuke when he fought him. We don't know how much sunlight he absorbed when he was drifting in space or if he was at 100%.
I mean the sunlight visually healed all his scars and injuries. But okay thats a slight possibility I guess. But its very speculative given the visual evidence of his healed injuries.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Yes there is. Given he was multiple times faster.2) To the Flash sure. Have you seen how the Flash looks to the human eye? At 0:13:
Did you see that h1? Did you?
3) really you want calculations? How shall I measure what speed the Flash very casually draws on that mans face? 1 minute to draw divided by the 0.1 second it happens in? You figure it out. Actually save me your usual BS calls. And Superman not only entered this Flashs time space, but managed to hit him as well.
4) I literally see her moving and hitting them. Like wth is this? Your trolling is getting to an all time high here?
5) Lol what are you showing me? The bit before he enters his little speed Force? And yet a bulls timer, a cyborg and Aquaman together are having difficulty even landing a hit on him. But hey Faora Visually blitzed Humans. Wow.
And The fact that Wonder Woman is frozen to him is clearly a massive improvement over BvS where neither was Doomsday frozen to Supes, nor was Wonder Woman frozen to Doomsday.
But hey h1 just ignore the blatant evidence and just carry on making up your own BS I.e. Carry on with your blatant trolling.
Characters operate at different levels at different times.
That's why you believe that JL Superman is faster than MOS Superman am I right? If so then Flash moves faster at times and slower at times.
You have to prove that Superman was moving significantly faster than Faora in the clips I posted. I couldn't see Faora move in 2 of those blitzes I posted. If you say that you seen her move in those 2 particular blitzes then you are a damn lie. She appeared to teleport. How can you possibly determine her speed to say that Superman was faster?
Originally posted by FrothByteNo, since his confidence and the bystanders clearly factored in. The issue was not which showing was more impressive but who demonstrated more skill. You keep trying to change the goalposts.
So you agree that beating down Superman in h2h is more impressive than beating up 4 human thugs?