Faora vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
You still didn't quantify both speed feats.
Not that it matters, but how do you know that Faora didn't move as fast or faster than JL Superman WITHOUT QUANTIFING both feats.

I'm stating that she is peers to SUPERMAN, BY PORTRAYALS, in speed unless you can show that Superman somehow received an AMP later on.

You are the one that claimed she appeared to be moving at JL Superman levels of speed, that means the burden is on you. You do not get to make retarded claims and then demand other people disprove them.

Either prove your claim or we're just going to keep calling you a liar and a troll, because that is what you're doing right now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]No, where on earth are you even getting this from.

So you agree that beating down Superman, inexperienced as he might be, is still a harder feat to pull off than beating 4 human thugs?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because Wonder Woman was frozen still to Superman in JL. Whereas she wasnt frozen to Doomsday in BvS, and neither was Doomsday frozen to Superman.

Superman flew from the north pole or wherever he was to Metropolis in seconds to save Lois. He had the speed in BvS.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Superman flew from the north pole or wherever he was to Metropolis in seconds to save Lois. He had the speed in BvS.

Im asking why Doomsday and Wonder Woman were not frozen in time to him when they were battling Doomsday.

You could argue Doomsday had the same speed, but that is contradicted by Wonder Woman being in the fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you agree that beating down Superman, inexperienced as he might be, is still a harder feat to pull off than beating 4 human thugs?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im asking why Doomsday and Wonder Woman were not frozen in time to him when they were battling Doomsday.

You could argue Doomsday had the same speed, but that is contradicted by Wonder Woman being in the fight.

WW seeing bullets in slow-mo contradicts many other scenes.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You are the one that claimed she appeared to be moving at JL Superman levels of speed, that means the burden is on you. You do not get to make retarded claims and then demand other people disprove them.

Either prove your claim or we're just going to keep calling you a liar and a troll, because that is what you're doing right now.

"Appear" doesn't require proof. And it was you who first implied that Faora wasn't as fast as JL Superman going by feats. But you never quantified anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said by her beating thugs is harder I said she demonstrated more skill by her complex movements than Faora exploiting Supermans deficiencies in that situation.

So you agree that beating down Superman in h2h is more impressive than beating up 4 human thugs?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im asking why Doomsday and Wonder Woman were not frozen in time to him when they were battling Doomsday.

You could argue Doomsday had the same speed, but that is contradicted by Wonder Woman being in the fight.

Doomsday was fighting multiple opponents at once. Besides, even if DD didn't demonstrate super speed Faora did, so what is the point of this argument? We know she's at least as fast as Diana and much stronger.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Doomsday was fighting multiple opponents at once. Besides, even if DD didn't demonstrate super speed Faora did, so what is the point of this argument? We know she's at least as fast as Diana and much stronger.

Was arguing Supermans powers not evolving at all through the film. If nothing else there was at least an evolution of how well he uses them in character.

Originally posted by h1a8
"Appear" doesn't require proof. And it was you who first implied that Faora wasn't as fast as JL Superman going by feats. But you never quantified anything.

When you're using it in a debate, yes it does.

Originally posted by Silent Master
When you're using it in a debate, yes it does.

And it was you who first implied that Faora wasn't as fast as JL Superman going by feats. But you never quantified anything.
So please provide proof that Superman was moving significantly faster than Faora when she blitzed.

Originally posted by h1a8
And it was you who first implied that Faora wasn't as fast as JL Superman going by feats. But you never quantified anything.
So please provide proof that Superman was moving significantly faster than Faora when she blitzed.

That was after your comment, so the burden is still on you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That was after your comment, so the burden is still on you.

I was never the who claimed that JL Superman was faster than Faora.
Don't want to prove it? Fine. You or anyone can't argue that JL Superman is faster than Faora.

You claimed she was portrayed as having GL Superman level speed, prove it.

Faoras speed was never portrayed as anywhere close to the speed levels we see from JL Superman.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You claimed she was portrayed as having GL Superman level speed, prove it.

That should have been JL, not GL.

So it comes down to whether or not you believe Superman as of Justice League is about equal or more powerful than he was in prior films.

There's no explicit power-up, you could argue he was empowered by the Motherbox but I don't recall it ever being indicated that he would be more powerful than before.

However, there is a clear difference between Superman and Diana's relative speed levels at the very least in BvS and JL. In BvS Superman is probably still faster in combat, but judging by how both handled Doomsday the difference isn't incredible. But in JL there's no comparison, Superman can fight at speeds where Diana is a statue.

So, if Superman is more powerful in JL Diana might wins, if not Faora probably does.

Well, for a purely visual comparison, we can compare how Faora was depicted as moving onscreen from a human perspective versus how the Flash was depicted on security footage here, seeing as Clark has comparable speed to him in JL:

YouTube video

Now, visuals alone aren't necessarily the only indicator, but it is something to consider.

On a random note, I wonder what costs more. The stuff that guy would have stolen or having to replace the lights and wiring in the store lol. Not to mention the stuff in the fridges that potentially spoiled.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So it comes down to whether or not you believe Superman as of Justice League is about equal or more powerful than he was in prior films.

There's no explicit power-up, you could argue he was empowered by the Motherbox but I don't recall it ever being indicated that he would be more powerful than before.

However, there is a clear difference between Superman and Diana's relative speed levels at the very least in BvS and JL. In BvS Superman is probably still faster in combat, but judging by how both handled Doomsday the difference isn't incredible. But in JL there's no comparison, Superman can fight at speeds where Diana is a statue.

So, if Superman is more powerful in JL Diana might wins, if not Faora probably does.

Problem is it's not just the speed. There's a notable difference in their strength levels as well. Even in BvS, which is before his arguable power bump, Superman was able to match Doomsday far better than Wonder Woman.

So unless we assume that Superman also had a power bump between MoS and BvS, then Faora should be able to give DD a decent challenge, provided she didn't have her mask weakness.