Originally posted by quanchi112
She used her strength to hold a much stronger opponent in check and you have Faora punching humans. How utterly unimpressive.
Sure, decent strength feat. Unfortunately, what you were supposed to provide was a skill feat. Specifically a h2h skill feat. I'm still waiting.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure, decent strength feat. Unfortunately, what you were supposed to provide was a skill feat. Specifically a h2h skill feat. I'm still waiting.
Skill, speed. Your turn to show me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
https://youtu.be/1-9573qxk5gSkill, speed. Your turn to show me.
Beating up a couple of human thugs? Meh, not that impressive. Especially considering that WW is physically already far stronger and faster than them.
Here's Faora dominating Superman in h2h. Does WW have anything as impressive?
Originally posted by FrothByteSo you do not take into account his inexperience. She never really harmed him and had two on one help. Just the other day you dismissed WW against Doomsday because she had a numbers advantage but somehow use a two to one advantage against an inexperienced opponent as proof. So despite his inexperience, her friends help, and her experience she failed to significantly harm or beat him.
Beating up a couple of human thugs? Meh, not that impressive. Especially considering that WW is physically already far stronger and faster than them.Here's Faora dominating Superman in h2h. Does WW have anything as impressive?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you do not take into account his inexperience. She never really harmed him and had two on one help. Just the other day you dismissed WW against Doomsday because she had a numbers advantage but somehow use a two to one advantage against an inexperienced opponent as proof. So despite his inexperience, her friends help, and her experience she failed to significantly harm or beat him.
Even inexperienced, Superman is a way harder opponent than a couple of human thugs with guns. Heck, even a hundred human thugs would be no match for Superman. Please stop lowballing. Superman was also stronger, faster and had flight due to his longer exposure to yellow sun yet Faora still schooled him.
The clip I presented showed a one on one h2h fight between Superman and Faora where Faora clearly had the upper hand. Yeah sure, she eventually lost later on but that clip gives us.clear proof of her h2h skill.
Now, where's your counter proof? The clip you provided shows WW fighting with weapons, not h2h.
Originally posted by FrothByteSuperman barely used hv in combat and was inexperienced in hand to hand fighting. He was acclimated to the planet she was not. So she had the edge on a lesser skilled opponent than her and WW. She had help and still failed to best him.
Even inexperienced, Superman is a way harder opponent than a couple of human thugs with guns. Heck, even a hundred human thugs would be no match for Superman. Please stop lowballing. Superman was also stronger, faster and had flight due to his longer exposure to yellow sun yet Faora still schooled him.The clip I presented showed a one on one h2h fight between Superman and Faora where Faora clearly had the upper hand. Yeah sure, she eventually lost later on but that clip gives us.clear proof of her h2h skill.
Now, where's your counter proof? The clip you provided shows WW fighting with weapons, not h2h.
Her headbutt clearly hurt a more experienced Superman. You see she can fight. Has the strength to hold doomsday, has skill, has experience, has speed. This is not a secret. Punching Superman is not the end all be all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman barely used hv in combat and was inexperienced in hand to hand fighting. He was acclimated to the planet she was not. So she had the edge on a lesser skilled opponent than her and WW. She had help and still failed to best him.Her headbutt clearly hurt a more experienced Superman. You see she can fight. Has the strength to hold doomsday, has skill, has experience, has speed. This is not a secret. Punching Superman is not the end all be all.
He certainly used his flight a lot in those fights. Anyway, you're still trying to avoid the elephant in the room. Faora fought Superman one on one in h2h combat and dominated.
Name me a feat where WW fought someone as dangerous as Superman in h2h combat and looked just as impressive.
And no, her landing one headbutt on Superman and getting wrecked otherwise is nowhere near as impressive as what Faora did to Superman.
Remember, you're looking for a skill feat. Not strength.
Originally posted by FrothByteShe was not holding up and gave him no quarter yet with an ally she failed.
You're still trying to avoid the elephant in the room. Faora fought Superman one on one in h2h combat and dominated.Name me a feat where WW fought someone as dangerous as Superman in h2h combat and looked just as impressive.
And no, her landing one headbutt on Superman and getting wrecked otherwise is nowhere near as impressive as what Faora did to Superman.
WW fought back against a more experienced Superman without going all out or even wanting to fight. Faora had another knian, wanted to win without any mercy and failed to do so. She is also more skilled than Superman. Why did she not win with a tag partner?
Originally posted by quanchi112
She was not holding up and gave him no quarter yet with an ally she failed.WW fought back against a more experienced Superman without going all out or even wanting to fight. Faora had another knian, wanted to win without any mercy and failed to do so. She is also more skilled than Superman. Why did she not win with a tag partner?
Both WW and Faora lost against Superman. So don't use Faora's loss as some kind of proof that WW is more skilled.
Bottom line: I provided a clip where Faora, on her own, gained the upper hand against Superman in h2h. Where he had trouble landing hits on her.
Show me a clip of WW doing something similarly impressive in h2h.
No no, don't try to explain or reason out, just post a clip. Feats is what we debate with here.
Originally posted by FrothByteWW was not all out and pleaded not to fight him. WW hit the same guy while she was trying to talk it out. She was his ally yet your cold blooded monster failed with help against an inexperienced opponent with the same strength.
Both WW and Faora lost against Superman. So don't use Faora's loss as some kind of proof that WW is more skilled.Bottom line: I provided a clip where Faora, on her own, gained the upper hand against Superman in h2h. Where he had trouble landing hits on her.
Show me a clip of WW doing something similarly impressive in h2h.
No no, don't try to explain or reason out, just post a clip. Feats is what we debate with here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW was not all out and pleaded not to fight him. WW hit the same guy while she was trying to talk it out. She was his ally yet your cold blooded monster failed with help against an inexperienced opponent with the same strength.
Failed with help? WW had the entire JL helping her against Superman.
Anyway, are you denying that Faora fought Superman one one on for a brief period of time? Are you denying that Faora had the upper hand when they fought in the diner?
Originally posted by FrothByteBatman never fought him. The rest were more scared. Cyborg did not even intend to initially fire. Sure they defended themselves after Superman stayed attacking them but at no pint did they really try to destroy him. Faora critiqued Superman for his compassion as a weakness age ultimately failed to capitalize on. WW had compassion for Superman and no one was hurt seriously from the fight.
Failed with help? WW had the entire JL helping her against Superman.Anyway, are you denying that Faora fought Superman one one on for a brief period of time? Are you denying that Faora had the upper hand when they fought in the diner?
Faora havingbthe upper hand going all out and with a partner shows just how bad she was. Two on one not holding back is not fair. Superman still came out ok. WW serious sliced a limb off DD and went toe to toe with him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Batman never fought him. The rest were more scared. Cyborg did not even intend to initially fire. Sure they defended themselves after Superman stayed attacking them but at no pint did they really try to destroy him. Faora critiqued Superman for his compassion as a weakness age ultimately failed to capitalize on. WW had compassion for Superman and no one was hurt seriously from the fight.Faora havingbthe upper hand going all out and with a partner shows just how bad she was. Two on one not holding back is not fair. Superman still came out ok. WW serious sliced a limb off DD and went toe to toe with him.
Stop dodging the question:
Are you denying that Faora fought Superman one on one in the diner?
Are you denying that Faora had the upper hand in that fight?
Originally posted by ShadowFyreI think logically that is a fair assessment but rarely do the action sequences match up with logic. Usually it is making the fights as epic as possible with little regard for things adding up.
Kal should have been comfortably more powerful than faora and namek as he had been under the sun for years and was adapted to his powers. That was her first time using them
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Kal should have been comfortably more powerful than faora and namek as he had been under the sun for years and was adapted to his powers. That was her first time using them
And he was. The fact that he was a complete newb in fighting and was still able to hold off two veteran warriors is proof of his superior physicality. It certainly wasn't due to his superior fighting skill or intellect.
Originally posted by h1a8
The called Clark (Smallville) the blur and we know how fast he was. They called Flash the blur as well.
Smallville Clark was a blur when caught in a photo. Or on slow motion on a camera.
To the human eye though he was completely invisible - see the episode when he saved Chloe in the middle of a football throw without anyone noticing anything.
MOS Faora was a very visible blur.