Originally posted by FrothByteNot so fast. Zod was his peer and he did not have 1/30 of the time under this yellow sun as he did. Superman had more experience with his powers but the Knians were more skilled hand to hand fighters.
And he was. The fact that he was a complete newb in fighting and was still able to hold off two veteran warriors is proof of his superior physicality. It certainly wasn't due to his superior fighting skill or intellect.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not so fast. Zod was his peer and he did not have 1/30 of the time under this yellow sun as he did. Superman had more experience with his powers but the Knians were more skilled hand to hand fighters.
Ssshhhh. Before you start a new argument with me, finish first what you started.
Are you denying that Faora fought Superman one on one in the diner?
Are you denying that Faora had the upperhand in that fight?
Originally posted by FrothByteNo, I am not denying that but what I am doing is pointing out Superman had to
Ssshhhh. Before you start a new argument with me, finish first what you started.Are you denying that Faora fought Superman one on one in the diner?
Are you denying that Faora had the upperhand in that fight?
1. Protect innocents which gave her an advantage
2. Did not significantly damage or defeat him
3. She eventually had an ally and was still unable to see number 2
She was kod at the end of the scene by a human weapon ironically.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am not denying that but what I am doing is pointing out Superman had to1. Protect innocents which gave her an advantage
2. Did not significantly damage or defeat him
3. She eventually had an ally and was still unable to see number 2She was kod at the end of the scene by a human weapon ironically.
No no, no dissembling, no dodging around the question. Just simple yes/no answers.
Did Faora fight Superman one on one?
Did Faora have the upperhand in that fight?
Originally posted by FrothByteYes due to the reasons I listed. If you cannot handle nuance to a debate maybe this is not for you. Context is everything.
No no, no dissembling, no dodging around the question. Just simple yes/no answers.Did Faora fight Superman one on one?
Did Faora have the upperhand in that fight?
Originally posted by FrothByteYou ignored the context behind the fight. You can ignore the variables which I just went through to pretend her failing to beat a hampered Superman protecting people and fighting her and her ally at the same time somehow proves something against WW. It does not. Her skill is better than Supermans. They are not twins.
Glad we agree that Faora fought Superman in h2h combat, one on one, and got the advantage.Now, please post a feat of WW that can match this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You ignored the context behind the fight. You can ignore the variables which I just went through to pretend her failing to beat a hampered Superman protecting people and fighting her and her ally at the same time somehow proves something against WW. It does not. Her skill is better than Supermans. They are not twins.
I ignored nothing, but you were the one who claimed WW was more skilled and I asked you to prove it with feats. Till now you have yet to provide any vid to back up your claim. You keep trying to diss Faora's feats yet you're unable to provide better feats for WW.
So stop trying to strawman in an attempt to hide the fact that you're unable to provide decent h2h feats for WW.
Originally posted by FrothByteI did prove it as we both agree Superman is not as skilled as either thus her having an upper hand against a hampered, inexperienced Superman proves that she does not apparently can defeat him with all this in her favor.
I ignored nothing, but you were the one who claimed WW was more skilled and I asked you to prove it with feats. Till now you have yet to provide any vid to back up your claim. You keep trying to diss Faora's feats yet you're unable to provide better feats for WW.So stop trying to strawman in an attempt to hide the fact that you're unable to provide decent h2h feats for WW.
Do you agree WW is more skilled than Superman?
I already have. I showed her fighting more skilled opponents than Superman in Ares and Steppenwolf. Superman relies on his physicality not his skill. You sank your own battleship.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did prove it as we both agree Superman is not as skilled as either thus her having an upper hand against a hampered, inexperienced Superman proves that she does not apparently can defeat him with all this in her favor.Do you agree WW is more skilled than Superman?
I already have. I showed her fighting more skilled opponents than Superman in Ares and Steppenwolf. Superman relies on his physicality not his skill. You sank your own battleship.
You showed her fighting Steppenwolf with a weapon. Do you understand what h2h is?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, we see she is able to fight with and without a weapon. I have provided evidence. Both are more skilled than Superman so what have you proven?
Both are more skilled than Superman yet only Faora has a feat where she had the advantage over Superman in h2h combat.
You also have yet to provide a feat where WW showcases good h2h feats against an opponent as dangerous as Superman. I'm waiting.
Originally posted by FrothByteSuperman had to protect innocents and he was more inexperienced at the time. She also had a two to one advantage.
Both are more skilled than Superman yet only Faora has a feat where she had the advantage over Superman in h2h combat.You also have yet to provide a feat where WW showcases good h2h feats against an opponent as dangerous as Superman. I'm waiting.
This is about skill we see WW has the strength to hurt Superman therefore she can hurt Faora. Being more skilled than Superman is not proof she is more skilled than WW since both are.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman had to protect innocents and he was more inexperienced at the time. She also had a two to one advantage.This is about skill we see WW has the strength to hurt Superman therefore she can hurt Faora. Being more skilled than Superman is not proof she is more skilled than WW since both are.
Again, all I see here is you making excuses. Where is your clip that proves WW is more skilled than Faora?
You made the claim, so back it up with something better than your opinions.
Edit: It's also very telling that you keep trying to deny the fact that Faora was fighting Superman one on one when she dominated him.
Originally posted by FrothByteHer complex actions in the clips I provided. Faora just rushes him she shows no true complex movements that require super skill just speed and strength.
Again, all I see here is you making excuses. Where is your clip that proves WW is more skilled than Faora?You made the claim, so back it up with something better than your opinions.
Edit: It's also very telling that you keep trying to deny the fact that Faora was fighting Superman one on one when she dominated him.
She noted him protecting others puts him at a disadvantage yet despite thatshe never defeated him. He was not even hurt. Who cares?