Worthy Cap vs. Aquaman

Originally posted by KingD19
Are people forgetting Worthy Cap gets some nice strength/ durability upgrades and has a magical flying hammer that he can control at will and shoot lightning from as well as an indestructible shield.

Are you forgetting how durable aquaman is? The plasma gun black manta was given completely destroyed a small island and Arthur shrugged off being smacked around by it multiple times and still won his fight. I don't think thor's lightning is going to do much. He was also being smacked around by the not kraken who could tear apart gigantic atlantian warships like tissue paper as well as surfed a para demonthrough a hospital from a free fall and was completely fine. Thor was never strong enough to do that kinda damage even in lightning mode, so I seriously doubt cap is.

Also his shield isn't indestructible. We see it break.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where exactly did I say anything about Cap flying?

BTW, if you aren't saying it's factual. why bring it up in a debate?

I never said he will do so and so because Snyder said this. I just pointed out the Trident May not be as weak in comparison as some are making out. Whereas KindD19 flat out claimed Cap would fly in combat.

Now Youve quoted me saying Cap has no on screen feats of flying. And then Youve quoted me as saying something the Director has stated as if theres some kind of contradiction in my statements.

So Kindly explain why you have quoted these 2 statements of mine together, and then confirm for me you believe Directors comments are inadmissible and unusable as evidence or as part of an argument.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Are you forgetting how durable aquaman is? The plasma gun black manta was given completely destroyed a small island and Arthur shrugged off being smacked around by it multiple times and still won his fight. I don't think thor's lightning is going to do much. He was also being smacked around by the not kraken who could tear apart gigantic atlantian warships like tissue paper as well as surfed a para demonthrough a hospital from a free fall and was completely fine. Thor was never strong enough to do that kinda damage even in lightning mode, so I seriously doubt cap is.

Also his shield isn't indestructible. We see it break.

Pretty sure Thors lighting too it Leviathans and was blasting the Sokovian landscape.

Not that Worthy Cap has those feats. But Thor certainly does.

What screen feats point to the Trident not being as weak as some are making out?

Thor amped his blast off the building. And Leviathans are not durable on the underbelly.
Sokovia was loaded full of energy from IM and those engines. Thor just contributed to the mix.

I think lightning will bother AM but not put him down in one or two hits (Cap's lightning appeared far weaker than Thor's best lightning anyway).

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor amped his blast off the building. And Leviathans are not durable on the underbelly.
Sokovia was loaded full of energy from IM and those engines. Thor just contributed to the mix.

I think lightning will bother AM but not put him down in one or two hits (Cap's lightning appeared far weaker than Thor's best lightning anyway).

At no point in the movie did it state the Leviathans were less durable on the underbelly. in fact Tony had his AI specifically scan them for weak points and none were found.

You really need to stop lying.

Originally posted by Silent Master
At no point in the movie did it state the Leviathans were less durable on the underbelly. in fact Tony had his AI specifically scan them for weak points and none were found.

You really need to stop lying.

2nd Thor amped his blasts off the building.
3rd Cap's blasts were shown to be weaker than Thor's.

Originally posted by h1a8
1st
IM was shown to scan only the armor.
What's the purpose of Armor?
If you think the underbelly is as durable as the armor then prove it.

2nd Thor amped his blasts off the building.
3rd Cap's blasts were shown to be weaker than Thor's.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Pretty sure Thors lighting too it Leviathans and was blasting the Sokovian landscape.

Not that Worthy Cap has those feats. But Thor certainly does.

If I'm remembering right, thor killed the leviathan by jamming some metal through its skull then using his lightning to fry its brain. Smart, but not as impressive

Originally posted by h1a8
1st
IM was shown to scan only the armor.
What's the purpose of Armor?
IM easily destroyed one by entering the mouth and existing the underbelly.
So either IM was referring to the armor in his scan or he just contradicted himself.
If you think the underbelly is as durable as the armor then prove it.

2nd Thor amped his blasts off the building.
3rd Cap's blasts were shown to be weaker than Thor's.

1. Prove that a leviathan's underbelly is softer than the other parts of its exterior.
2. You're assuming that Tony and Jarvis are so dumb that they specifically only scanned the strongest part of the leviathan's body.
3. He exited the underbelly AFTER he made it explode from the inside.
4. What exactly is in a building that it is able to amplify electric charges?

Arthur got knocked out by a headbutt fron Manta and some fodder Atlantis berserker

Cap was pounding Thanos, and breaking off chunks of his armor. Arthur is trash tier on land

Originally posted by carthage
Arthur got knocked out by a headbutt fron Manta and some fodder Atlantis berserker

Cap was pounding Thanos, and breaking off chunks of his armor. Arthur is trash tier on land

That's more a testament to how good atlantian armor and weapons are as opposed to Arthur being weak considering his other durability feats. Also, Arthur beat black manta where cap was beat by thanos so that argument seems disingenuous

Originally posted by h1a8
1st
IM was shown to scan only the armor.
What's the purpose of Armor?
IM easily destroyed one by entering the mouth and existing the underbelly.
So either IM was referring to the armor in his scan or he just contradicted himself.
If you think the underbelly is as durable as the armor then prove it.

2nd Thor amped his blasts off the building.
3rd Cap's blasts were shown to be weaker than Thor's.

1st, provide the quote or visual evidence from the movie that proves Tony didn't scan it's underside.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1st, provide the quote or visual evidence from the movie that proves Tony didn't scan it's underside.

The laser only touched the armor.
Doesn't matter as Tony went through the underbelly easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
The laser only touched the armor.
Doesn't matter as Tony went through the underbelly easily.

So now you're claiming Jarvis used the laser in order to scan the Leviathan?

Where in the movie was that stated, or you just lying again?

This would be a great fight IMO. Aquaman's stats are very high after his solo movie, especially durability and strength. The dude is a skilled tank. If he can get in close, it'll be a hard fight for Steve, and Momoa can end the fight if he gets a good trident shot in.

However, Steve's lightning is probably going to really mess up Aquaman's day, and he has arguably more skill, fighting prowess, and combat options with how effortlessly he combined his shield with Mjolnir against Thanos.

Toss-up, I'm leaning Steve if he can utilize his lightning plentifully then mix it up with melee when needed till he puts Mamoa down. If it turns into straight melee or fisticuffs, I see Aquaman getting the upper hand on Steve and then knocking him out or skewering him.

Also keep in mind with Mjolnir Steve hits hard enough to hurt Thanos. Or at least rock him silly now and then. So Arthur won't be shrugging off hammer strikes to the face.

I made the comment about him fighting o land because we see that in water Atlanteans take full advantage of how they can move and fight completely differently.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So now you're claiming Jarvis used the laser in order to scan the Leviathan?

Where in the movie was that stated, or you just lying again?

Actually there was no scan. Tony used the laser to try to cut through the leviathan's armor and Jarvis calculated (from the damage Tony did) that he will lose power before penetrating it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Prove that a leviathan's underbelly is softer than the other parts of its exterior.
2. You're assuming that Tony and Jarvis are so dumb that they specifically only scanned the strongest part of the leviathan's body.
3. He exited the underbelly AFTER he made it explode from the inside.
4. What exactly is in a building that it is able to amplify electric charges?

1. I did. I gave the IM example of him scanning ONLY the armor and Jarvis stating that there is no way to penetrate it. But in a later scene IM easily busts through the underbelly. But the real proof is that Armor >>>>areas not protected by common sense. If you believe that the armor served no purpose (didn't make the leviathan more durable) then you have to prove that since that goes against the status quo.

2. Well visually see the laser hit only the armor. How do you explain IM busting through the underbelly then? Jarvis was referring to the laser penetrating the armor.

3. Doesn't matter as IM shouldn't be able to go through the underbelly if the scan was correct and referred to also the underbelly.

4. Hold more charge as a temporary battery. This is moot since Cap's lightning didn't appear to be as strong as Thor's lightning.

Wait wait wait, if you guys are claiming the Leviathan is just as durable on the inside as out, then how do you explain Iron Man being able to blow one up from the inside when he clearly couldnt from the outside?

Originally posted by KingD19
Also keep in mind with Mjolnir Steve hits hard enough to hurt Thanos. Or at least rock him silly now and then. So Arthur won't be shrugging off hammer strikes to the face.

I made the comment about him fighting o land because we see that in water Atlanteans take full advantage of how they can move and fight completely differently.