Worthy Cap vs. Aquaman

Originally posted by FrothByte
In other words, you concede that the underbelly of the leviathans are armored. Glad we cleared that up.

Also, unless you can come up with proof that buildings can actually amplify the amperes or voltage of an electric charge, I suggest you stop making stuff up about Thor charging his lightning through the building.

Longer lightning = stronger lightning
Longer lightning = more charge

Therefore
More charge = stronger lightning.

Worst case scenario, Thor still charged his hammer for a long time before shooting the blast back out. This gave more damage potential.

If you disagree then explain why
1. Thor had to charge the hammer first
2. Thor didn't continue to shoot indefinitely and destroy every coming out of the portal

Originally posted by h1a8
I concede that parts were armored (in rings) and equal parts were exposed.

Longer lightning = stronger lightning
Longer lightning = more charge

Therefore
More charge = stronger lightning.

Worst case scenario, Thor still charged his hammer for a long time before shooting the blast back out. This gave more damage potential.

If you disagree then explain why
1. Thor had to charge the hammer first
2. Thor didn't continue to shoot indefinitely and destroy every coming out of the portal

Longer lightning = Thor just calls down as much lightning as he needs. Again, it's not the building that generates lighting. Running lightning up and down the building so he can blast the chitauri for 3 seconds doesn't give him a longer blast than if he simply blasted the chitauri for 3 seconds straight from his hammer.

You claim the building amplified it, so prove it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Longer lightning = Thor just calls down as much lightning as he needs. Again, it's not the building that generates lighting. Running lightning up and down the building so he can blast the chitauri for 3 seconds doesn't give him a longer blast than if he simply blasted the chitauri for 3 seconds straight from his hammer.

You claim the building amplified it, so prove it.

Why are you still talking about the building? My argument is about the HAMMER being charged. Thor charged the HAMMER (not the building) for many seconds before shooting the blast out for many seconds.

Again, you have to prove that Thor can indefinitely shoot lightning from the hammer without having to recharge. But evidence shows that Thor had to charge the hammer to perform the feat.

Plus you are not addressing that at least half of the bottom of a leviathanvs flesh was exposed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why are you still talking about the building? My argument is about the HAMMER being charged. Thor charged the HAMMER (not the building) for many seconds before shooting the blast out for many seconds.

Again, you have to prove that Thor can indefinitely shoot lightning from the hammer without having to recharge. But evidence shows that Thor had to charge the hammer to perform the feat.

Plus you are not addressing that at least half of the bottom of a leviathanvs flesh was exposed.

Actually, if you're claiming that the hammer needs to be charged, then that's up to you to prove. Prove that it can get drained. After all, Mjolnir is not a battery. If you want to claim it acts like one then feel free to prove it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, if you're claiming that the hammer needs to be charged, then that's up to you to prove. Prove that it can get drained. After all, Mjolnir is not a battery. If you want to claim it acts like one then feel free to prove it.

I did prove it.
The leviathan scene shows Thor charging the hammer and then expelling that energy back out to the portal.

If you disagree then kindly explain why Thor charged his hammer before shooting it back out. And explain why Thor didn't continue to blast at the portal if he had unlimited energy from his hammer.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did prove it.
The leviathan scene shows Thor charging the hammer and then expelling that energy back out to the portal.

If you disagree then kindly explain why Thor charged his hammer before shooting it back out. And explain why Thor didn't continue to blast at the portal if he had unlimited energy from his hammer.

Except there's no proof that he was actually charging it. You can't make stuff up then use it as proof.

I always saw the hammer as a conduit. A way for Thor to channel/control the lightning. That was what Odin seemed to imply in Ragnarok too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I always saw the hammer as a conduit. A way for Thor to channel/control the lightning. That was what Odin seemed to imply in Ragnarok too.

So you think Steve wasn't actually amped (his physicals, strength and durability the most) by it in EG?

Heh, a VERY unpopular opinion to have on this particular forum.

Can't blame you, though - I also got such impression at first.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you think Steve wasn't actually amped (his physicals, strength and durability the most) by it in EG?

Heh, a VERY unpopular opinion to have on this particular forum.

Can't blame you, though - I also got such impression at first.

I didn't know the hammer was supposed to amp people. It didn't amp Vision, and I don't see why it would amp Cap.

I'm guessing that Jane will have to transform somehow, but neither Cap nor Vision did, so no, I don't think Cap was especially amped other than the fact that he was wielding one of the most powerful weapons in the universe.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't know the hammer was supposed to amp people. It didn't amp Vision, and I don't see why it would amp Cap.

I'm guessing that Jane will have to transform somehow, but neither Cap nor Vision did, so no, I don't think Cap was especially amped other than the fact that he was wielding one of the most powerful weapons in the universe.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

Vision is not human. Robots could always lift it, that's how Zarrko trolled Thor in comics.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

Vision is not human. Robots could always lift it, that's how Zarrko trolled Thor in comics.

I saw nothing in Endgame to make me think that Cap was amped, and from Ragnarok, I honestly got the impression that Thor's strength and durability are just because of his parentage. The first Thor movie kind of messes with that, but Ragnarok came later, and by then Marvel was in full MCU mode.

"The Power Of Thor" to me came across as being able to channel and imbue yourself with lightning.

You might be right, and I might be wrong. I just think Cap's stats are enhanced enough that he wouldn't need the buff, imo.

I didn't know that about the robots. Good to know, even if that's a terrible oversight by Odin.

Originally posted by -Pr-
and from Ragnarok, I honestly got the impression that Thor's strength and durability are just because of his parentage.

Comics also describe Mjolnir as "just a tool" and such. MCU Ragnarok is nothing new, not some exception or a new rule. Waititi and his writers have done their homework.

Unless depowered completely (humanized) or stuck to a human (Olson) or a human-ish construct (Blake), then Thor will retain most of his superhuman attributes.

In MCU, there is no Blake, no Olson, nobody. But as you noticed, we also don't get to see Cap properly transform, so we just assume based on his performance that he got a massive power boost.

I'm on neither side, I'm actually happy you brought this up. And quite disappointed it didn't happen earlier; it's something that should be thoroughly discussed, much like that scene with Thanos beating the Hulk is still a heated subject.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

Vision is not human. Robots could always lift it, that's how Zarrko trolled Thor in comics.

Except Thor let Vision keep the Mindstone simply because he was worthy to lift Mjolnir.

Vision is a living being. Dont be prejudice against the artificial kind!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Heh, a VERY unpopular opinion to have on this particular forum.

Actually weve been debating it a fair bit recently, and not only is Cap never shown to have any kind of physical amp, but theres also a scene where hes fighting side by side with Thor against Thanos minions, and the strength difference between the two is quite apparent.

I'm still going to say aquaman wins, even if cap gets the full God of thunder chassis

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except Thor let Vision keep the Mindstone simply because he was worthy to lift Mjolnir.

Vision is a living being. Dont be prejudice against the artificial kind!

Who said Thor was smart?

Vision is sentient, but he doesn't have a soul and is a construct... and as such, he can bypass Odin's enchantment, as that's exactly how it's been done in comics.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Comics also describe Mjolnir as "just a tool" and such. MCU Ragnarok is nothing new, not some exception or a new rule. Waititi and his writers have done their homework.

Unless depowered completely (humanized) or stuck to a human (Olson) or a human-ish construct (Blake), then Thor will retain most of his superhuman attributes.

In MCU, there is no Blake, no Olson, nobody. But as you noticed, we also don't get to see Cap properly transform, so we just assume based on his performance that he got a massive power boost.

I'm on neither side, I'm actually happy you brought this up. And quite disappointed it didn't happen earlier; it's something that should be thoroughly discussed, much like that scene with Thanos beating the Hulk is still a heated subject.

I wssn't claiming that the MCU did anything revolutionary, just that they tend to cherry pick what they like and what they don't from the comics to suit themselves.

What about Cap's performance made you think he was amped? Hurting Thanos? I honestly think that he could do that with Mjolnir whether it amped him or not.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Who said Thor was smart?

Vision is sentient, but he doesn't have a soul and is a construct... and as such, he can bypass Odin's enchantment, as that's exactly how it's been done in comics.

How dare you.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
What about Cap's performance made you think he was amped? Hurting Thanos? I honestly think that he could do that with Mjolnir whether it amped him or not.

He manhandled him pretty bad, yes.

But as you said, it COULD be attributed to Mjolnir's striking power and lightning ---- much like... let's say... Hawkman's stupid mace amped by Alan's ring doing harm to Black Adam.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He manhandled him pretty bad, yes.

But as you said, it COULD be attributed to Mjolnir's striking power and lightning ---- much like... let's say... Hawkman's stupid mace amped by Alan's ring doing harm to Black Adam.

Yeah. I mean, if the Russos turned around and said he was amped, I wouldn't be surprised. I just think that with how Cap has been portrayed before that it's not out of his range of abilities to do what he did to Thanos.

I mean, if you handed me Mjolnir and I was somehow worthy of lifting it, I would expect it to be able to hurt heralds if I smacked them with it. But then you add Cap's abilities on top of that, and so on.

I wonder if Russo's dvd/blu-ray commentary will provide us with any details on the subject.

And I hope Marvel comics won't choose to contradict it while retelling the story in the comic format... again.