Worthy Cap vs. Aquaman

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I wonder if Russo's dvd/blu-ray commentary will provide us with any details on the subject.

And I hope Marvel comics won't choose to contradict it while retelling the story in the comic format... again.

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Me too. I will say this, though. I do think the argument can be made in the sense that Tony and Thor during the fight are five years out of practice, and yet Cap was fighting like he was in prime condition. That could be attributed to an amp, and there's obviously some sort of "now you know how to call down lightning" part to wielding the hammer too.

Tony might've been a family man, sure, but I doubt he's quit superheroing altogether.

Nothing indicates that. He built Pepper a suit, the world missed him after his funeral and he felt about his superhero duty as of his responsibility.

He chose to detach from the Avengers, sure. But I doubt he was just eating burgers with Morgan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tony might've been a family man, sure, but I doubt he's quit superheroing altogether.

Nothing indicates that. He built Pepper a suit, the world missed him after his funeral and he felt about his superhero duty as of his responsibility.

He chose to detach from the Avengers, sure. But I doubt he was just eating burgers with Morgan.

I wasn't saying he didn't keep in shape or look after himself, but half the population means half the criminals. Half the supervillains. Half the work. Like when an athlete gets injured or takes a break. A bit of rust sets in.

I would rather use that as a reason for him not performing as well in Endgame as he did in Infinity War against a less-powerful Thanos than just straight up PIS.

It was random, as Thanos said. We don't know the actual numbers.

Ronin had his hands full with Yakuza gangsters, for example, hating them for surviving while his family got evaporated.

Thanos w/o gems had to rely on his skill and Thanoscopter blade mastery, as we've seen in the movie.

With the gems, he was casually dismantling heroes left and right, always in control and activating whichever gem he needed or simply wanted to test.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except there's no proof that he was actually charging it. You can't make stuff up then use it as proof.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

Vision is not human. Robots could always lift it, that's how Zarrko trolled Thor in comics.

Correction, machines being controlled by humans couldn't lift Mjolnir.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was random, as Thanos said. We don't know the actual numbers.

Ronin had his hands full with Yakuza gangsters, for example, hating them for surviving while his family got evaporated.

Thanos w/o gems had to rely on his skill and Thanoscopter blade mastery, as we've seen in the movie.

With the gems, he was casually dismantling heroes left and right, always in control and activating whichever gem he needed or simply wanted to test.

Trust you to make me literally when i was obviously speaking generally. 😛

I didn't say there wasn't crime, but law of averages says there has to be at least a lesser amount, and I got the distinct impression that Tony was mostly retired by this point too. I wonder if any of the writers commented on it, so I'll have to google it.

Still, even with Thanos relying more on his skill, I think the difference needs at least some explaining. Out of practice or at least semi-retired is the best explanation imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Trust you to make me literally when i was obviously speaking generally. 😛

😂

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't say there wasn't crime, but law of averages says there has to be at least a lesser amount, and I got the distinct impression that Tony was mostly retired by this point too. I wonder if any of the writers commented on it, so I'll have to google it.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Still, even with Thanos relying more on his skill, I think the difference needs at least some explaining. Out of practice or at least semi-retired is the best explanation imo.

Again, I don't think Thanos was even trying in EG. It was like playing a video game with godmode on for him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Fair enough.

Again, I don't think Thanos was even trying in EG. It was like playing a video game with godmode on for him.

I went back and flicked through IW and I see what you're saying. I think you could make that argument, sure, though I would still say it's a contributing factor more than a sole explanation.

If we choose to believe Russos, then Base Thanos was already strong and skilled enough to destroy Savage Hulk in hth.

Then you have Korath describing him as the most powerful being in the universe.

Thor, while out of shape, was armed with both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir and still had his Ragnarok upgrade.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If we choose to believe Russos, then Base Thanos was already strong and skilled enough to destroy Savage Hulk in hth.

Then you have Korath describing him as the most powerful being in the universe.

Thor, while out of shape, was armed with both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir and still had his Ragnarok upgrade.

Oh, I have no problem with Thanos smacking them around. Far from it. He's very much the "we'll only beat him with a hail mary" kind of villain. Even if he fought all of them in tip-top shape, I'd still expect him to win. It's just the how he won, is all.

Like how I can accept WWH beating the X-Men, even if I think that how it was done wasn't super.

Kitty should've just phased Wolverine inside WWH vin

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kitty should've just phased Wolverine inside WWH vin

Familiar territory for ol' Logan too, I'll bet.

Too familiar.

They had plenty of other options, too. Why Multiple Man didn't even try to stop Banner? Can't he get nasty with his power?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Too familiar.

They had plenty of other options, too. Why Multiple Man didn't even try to stop Banner? Can't he get nasty with his power?

Yeah, he has some ridiculous feats. It's always nice to see an imaginative writer take his power and just run with it.

Even if you had him duplicate himself inside Hulk, and have them all watch in horror as Hulk just heals back from it immediately or something. That would have been sick.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Correction, machines being controlled by humans couldn't lift Mjolnir.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except there's no proof that he was actually charging it. You can't make stuff up then use it as proof.

So you are trolling now. Debate is over. Get back to me when you want to stop trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
That makes no difference. They could have had programmed a machine to lift Mjolnir and failed. We all know that Vision lifted Mjolnir because he was worthy.

That's pure speculation.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Vision is sentient, but he doesn't have a soul and is a construct... and as such, he can bypass Odin's enchantment, as that's exactly how it's been done in comics.

Pretty sure he does have a soul.

Movies and comics end up pretty different though.

Take Thanos power set for example. The movies have basically made him a skilled brute.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I wonder if Russo's dvd/blu-ray commentary will provide us with any details on the subject.

I hope they do. Would be nice to get that cleared up, even if im wrong.