Originally posted by carver9
He was amped, TREMENDOUSLY. Wouldn't count that as your average portrayal Superman.Before the punch...
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Ah right. Well who cares then.
Lot’s of bad information being spread here. World Forger’s multiverse would not have been destroyed had the hammer not dropped, it would have simply gone back to the World Forge as a possibility.
There’s a poster here from another board who keeps claiming that the JLA would have destroyed the multiverse, just the same as Superman did. He posts this scan over and over to state his case.
But I keep correcting him, that that’s not what the scan is talking about, it’s talking about how the Future JLA would never have agreed with Forger, without the Final Bat-Suit to alter their minds. And this is the problem in every other universe that got destroyed - the JLA would always try to save everything, and in so doing, everyone and everything would die. Countless universes where World Forger’s goal of a utopia with perfect justice was thwarted each time, and so had to be scrapped because of the JLA causing a universal civil war. Without the Final Bat-Suit, World Forger was explaining to Batman that this would just repeat on and on, in countless universes, because the JLA always disagree with Forger’s perfect justice universe.
Lois Lane pretty much explained this to the JLA when they asked her why she changed and was the prison warden at Apokolips.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah I get that. But this isnt the only thread its been argued. And with such a huge amp I dont get what all the fuss is about.
As soon as Superman performed that ft, he was taken out of discussion threads. I dont see it as something big because it isnt. He was amped tremendously to unknown levels of power. The guy flew through an untold amount of suns and was far above his power level in the first dip. When you factor in World Forger not having a single showing proving his durability. The ONLY fight we saw was him fighting a weakened Superman. That's it. He doesnt have ANYTHING proving how durable he is: NOTHING!! So we have an amped Superman knocking down a character we have no physical clue about when it comes to durability, but, the ft is the best ft of them all and this punch can take out LT. This is why I question a lot of things here.
Originally posted by carver9
As soon as Superman performed that ft, he was taken out of discussion threads. I dont see it as something big because it isnt. He was amped tremendously to unknown levels of power. The guy flew through an untold amount of suns and was far above his power level in the first dip. When you factor in World Forger not having a single showing proving his durability. The ONLY fight we saw was him fighting a weakened Superman. That's it. He doesnt have ANYTHING proving how durable he is: NOTHING!! So we have an amped Superman knocking down a character we have no physical clue about when it comes to durability, but, the ft is the best ft of them all and this punch can take out LT. This is why I question a lot of things here.
It's like you missed the entire point of the comic and the forum ban. Or you didn't miss it, instead you choose to ignore it. I'm not sure which it is...
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's like you missed the entire point of the comic and the forum ban. Or you didn't miss it, instead you choose to ignore it. I'm not sure which it is...
I've read the book and posted pages here. I'm not the only one mentioning what I said above. The ft is questionable (just like every other ft from any character). A civil debate shouldnt warrant anything negative for the mods. People just have different opinions and should be able to discuss that opinion. I'm currently having a debate about Hulk crushing the One Below All and I dont mind.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
My view never changed. The JLA never reach him and Batman is keeping them back. Batman kept the future JLA away and Forger states that if not for Batman's effort, everything would have died. So the JLA would have destroyed that "hypothetical multiverse". Heck, if we go by DarkSaint85's logic, the fact that it is a stated "hypothetical multiverse" brings doubt to the alleged feat.And the same people arguing for the feat argue against Hyperion holding two universes apart unamped.
This is nonsense. Forger said that comment in a different context, as I explained above. And also arguing that it was a hypothetical universe is nonsense. By that logic, Superman One Million is from a “hypothetical” and so none of his feats should count. And any versus battles featuring him should automatically be awarded to the opponent. Nonsense!
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is anything ever mentioned about a universal civil war?
Your own scan that you keep posting.
Batman: "This is the device I built? To determine who would side with us, with the League, so we could strike first and win the war?"
And also Lois, when she explained that Jon always chooses to follow Clark and so dies in every universe, which is why she agreed to be the warden of Apokolips, to hold all dissenters, not just the JLA, so they could win the war.
In each prior universe (billions to trillions) that was destroyed, it was because the JLA kept spearheading wars that ruined that universe's chance for perfect justice to trick the judges that it was worthy for continued existence, forcing World Forger to scrap those universes. But in one of those universes, a Batman actually designed a Final Bat-Suit to force the JLA into changing their minds, therefore "striking first."
Originally posted by HammerT1me
Lot’s of bad information being spread here. World Forger’s multiverse would not have been destroyed had the hammer not dropped, it would have simply gone back to the World Forge as a possibility.There’s a poster here from another board who keeps claiming that the JLA would have destroyed the multiverse, just the same as Superman did. He posts this scan over and over to state his case.
But I keep correcting him, that that’s not what the scan is talking about, it’s talking about how the Future JLA would never have agreed with Forger, without the Final Bat-Suit to alter their minds. And this is the problem in every other universe that got destroyed - the JLA would always try to save everything, and in so doing, everyone and everything would die. Countless universes where World Forger’s goal of a utopia with perfect justice was thwarted each time, and so had to be scrapped because of the JLA causing a universal civil war. Without the Final Bat-Suit, World Forger was explaining to Batman that this would just repeat on and on, in countless universes, because the JLA always disagree with Forger’s perfect justice universe.
Lois Lane pretty much explained this to the JLA when they asked her why she changed and was the prison warden at Apokolips.
Pretty much.
The main difference between how this story ended, and every other universes JLA, is their Supermen died.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Ok. So a highly amped Superman did this, why is everyone tripping?
He really wasn't in those tiny suns all that long, to be that highly amped.
And if those suns were special, then that makes the planet he destroyed while near death by simply jumping off it special, too. Shattering a 6d planet is a MUCH higher feat then merely destroying the Earth, if the logic holds that 6d objects are massively more powerful then 3d objects, as the logic of this "amp" enough to defeat World Forger and shatter his hammer implies.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 He stopped WF by knocking him over. WF didn't finish baking his cake because Superman interrupted himImagine coming from another site to get debunked.
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Editor opinions carry very little weight next to the writer's. Back when Eddie Berganza was editor for Superman, he had an "Ask Eddie" homepage and his responses were always disputed in debates. So rather than being lazy and appealing to authority, why don't you work on building an argument so others don't have to do the thinking for you?
Great idea! 💃
