Superman's Punch from JL 25 vs.....

Originally posted by HammerT1me
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Editor opinions carry very little weight next to the writer's. Back when Eddie Berganza was editor for Superman, he had an "Ask Eddie" homepage and his responses were always disputed in debates. So rather than being lazy and appealing to authority, why don't you work on building an argument so others don't have to do the thinking for you?

Great idea! 💃

The writer told the questioners to go ask the editor. They state this when they ask the question.

But the truth is that the editor's clarification has been built up by several posters for multiple pages under this topic and others.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The writer told the questioners to go ask the editor. They state this when they ask the question.

But the truth is that the editor's clarification has been built up by several posters for multiple pages under this topic and others.

Originally posted by cdtm
He really wasn't in those tiny suns all that long, to be that highly amped.

And if those suns were special, then that makes the planet he destroyed while near death by simply jumping off it special, too. Shattering a 6d planet is a MUCH higher feat then merely destroying the Earth, if the logic holds that 6d objects are massively more powerful then 3d objects, as the logic of this "amp" enough to defeat World Forger and shatter his hammer implies.

The first sun dip took him FAR over his power level. Stated on panel. That's the first dip before he was near death. He dove through an unknown amount after that. He was tremendously amped. No denying this.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Ok. So a highly amped Superman did this, why is everyone tripping?

Because this thread is about that Superman?

Originally posted by HammerT1me
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Editor opinions carry very little weight next to the writer's. Back when Eddie Berganza was editor for Superman, he had an "Ask Eddie" homepage and his responses were always disputed in debates. So rather than being lazy and appealing to authority, why don't you work on building an argument so others don't have to do the thinking for you?

Great idea! 💃

When Superman was coming in for the punch, who or what did he hit?

Originally posted by Diesldude
you harass the editor enough they will say whatever you want to hear to get you off their back. This is why the rules here are in place. But you have people twerking anything they something the editor writes something that backs his or her argument eventhough the editor admits later on that he misread the question and then clarifies his thoughts that backfire on the poster that brought up the tweet. As soon as that happens, the music stops and twerking posters are left squatting with a confused look on their faces.

That's fine, but my point addresses the notion that Alberto etc. have not built an argument beforehand. We have pages of argument toward that opinion well before the tweet.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's fine, but my point addresses the notion that Alberto etc. have not built an argument beforehand. We have pages of argument toward that opinion well before the tweet.

And we had mod rulings on what happened.

Didn't stop people though.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The writer told the questioners to go ask the editor. They state this when they ask the question.

But the truth is that the editor's clarification has been built up by several posters for multiple pages under this topic and others.

Okay, then. Since we're going off of what editors say as the final verdict, then let's also go with what Dan Jurgens (the actual writer) says about Odin's power level.

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RC: So you did not write Odin as a character capable of, say, killing galaxies?

DAN JURGENS: Odin? No.

RC: Then what were the limits of his power . . . planetary-level?

DAN JURGENS: They had to be . . . and I will say that consistently because we have seen Odin defeated so many times. The idea we were trying to get across is that the Odin-power made him among the most powerful of gods-certainly the most powerful Asgardian. But if we look at either Odin or Zeus, we see fallibility and we see a limit.
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So... By your own logic of invoking an editor's opinion, you agree that Odin is planetary level, right?

Originally posted by carver9
When Superman was coming in for the punch, who or what did he hit?

He hit World Forger. Which was right at the epicenter where the new multiverse was descending.

Originally posted by HammerT1me
He hit World Forger. Which was right at the epicenter where the new multiverse was descending.

So he punched WF? How did the multiverse get destroyed if he punched WF in the face? Help me understand.

Originally posted by carver9
So he punched WF? How did the multiverse get destroyed if he punched WF in the face? Help me understand.

Because as I said, WF's face happened to be within the epicenter of where the multiverse was descending. Are you disagreeing with that?

Originally posted by HammerT1me
Okay, then. Since we're going off of what editors say as the final verdict, then let's also go with what Dan Jurgens (the actual writer) says about Odin's power level.

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RC: So you did not write Odin as a character capable of, say, killing galaxies?

DAN JURGENS: Odin? No.

RC: Then what were the limits of his power . . . planetary-level?

DAN JURGENS: They had to be . . . and I will say that consistently because we have seen Odin defeated so many times. The idea we were trying to get across is that the Odin-power made him among the most powerful of gods-certainly the most powerful Asgardian. But if we look at either Odin or Zeus, we see fallibility and we see a limit.
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So... By your own logic of invoking an editor's opinion, you agree that Odin is planetary level, right?

A general opinion of a character is quite different from a clarification of what specifically happens in a single book.

And I didn’t invoke an editors opinion. I disputed your notion that those agreeing with that opinion have made no arguments toward it.

Per the Rules:

"An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc."

Cut and dry why this rule exists. Now let's erase all the time we wasted from Alberto's trolling mess and get back to the arguments.

Originally posted by HammerT1me
Per the Rules:

"An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc."

Cut and dry why this rule exists. Now let's erase all the time we wasted from Alberto's trolling mess and get back to the arguments.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's just not what's shown in the comic though.

Like I said there is nothing to suggest that the multiverse self destructed. That's not how this cosmology works.

But how can facts and rules be real, when our eyes aren't real?

Stay woke.

#hollowplanet
#smallplanet
#wejustdontknow
#itsmorewillthanstrength

Originally posted by HammerT1me
Because as I said, WF's face happened to be within the epicenter of where the multiverse was descending. Are you disagreeing with that?

Where are you getting that from? Scans please.

This...really couldn't get more clear....the desperate low balling is hilarious though. It's good to be a supes fan, and sucks to be a supes hater. Supes took out world forger and destroyed a multi verse. End of story. Obviously, the real crux of the issue though is that deep down people are afraid this means supes beats their favorite character. They should really learn to get in touch with their inner feelings, cuz they are right.

Bump.