Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, his best feat was shaking the multiverse. Parlor trick compared to Lucifer or Michael.
No. Off the top of my head:
destroyed Owen's multiversal dome (capable of surviving multiversal destruction) casually like it's nothing.
The multiverse he embodies (beyond realm) is infinite dimensional and far bigger than the mainstream multiverse.
Shrugged off a blast capable of slagging billions of dimensions like nothing.
Made the asbtracts shit their pants.
Killed multiversal death
Destroyed several dimensions just by getting angry
Briefly destroyed/recreated reality (iirc)
Stomped Owen.
Let's not forget that Owen literally repaired multiversal destruction with a finger 😂 while calming down the beyonder (so in the midst of multi-tasking). Owen was also far and away above all the other abstracts. And the best part? Owen said that his power level compared to the Beyonder is the same as Captain America's compared to Owen. This is ridiculous unprecedented levels of power which Lucifer/Michael can never match.
Originally posted by operator616
No. Off the top of my head:destroyed Owen's multiversal dome (capable of surviving multiversal destruction) casually like it's nothing.
Meh.
The multiverse he embodies (beyond realm) is infinite dimensional and far bigger than the mainstream multiverse.
Destiny contains entire multiverse in his book. Fourth world itself is far bigger than infinite multiverse.
Shrugged off a blast capable of slagging billions of dimensions like nothing.
Compared to Lucifer tanking infinite demiurgic power like nothing? Meh.
Made the asbtracts shit their pants.
Meh.
Killed multiversal death
And got majorly weakened.
Destroyed several dimensions just by getting angry
Briefly destroyed/recreated reality (iirc)
Stomped Owen.
Meh. What did Owen do to make this impressive?
Let's not forget that Owen literally repaired multiversal destruction with a finger 😂 while calming down the beyonder (so in the midst of multi-tasking). Owen was also far and away above all the other abstracts. And the best part? Owen said that his power level compared to the Beyonder is the same as Captain America's compared to Owen. This is ridiculous unprecedented levels of power which Lucifer/Michael can never match.
Multiversal damage? You're talking like the multiverse was destroyed. It wasn't.
That was sheer hyperbole unless you think Captain America can stalemate Owen or repair damage done by him.
You've shown feats that aren't even worth Spectre (Recreated multiverse in Final Crisis), (along with Anti Monitor destroyed creation and recreated it which was later retconned as being at half power) etc.
Like I said Beyonder is all hype.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Meh.Meh.
What's with the meh? so casually destroying a dome capable of withstanding multiversal destruction and making all the abstracts shit their pants is now "meh"? So those are somehow less impressive than making reality shake (which you allege is his best feat)?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Destiny contains entire multiverse in his book. Fourth world itself is far bigger than infinite multiverse.Compared to Lucifer tanking infinite demiurgic power like nothing? Meh.
Lucifer destroyed dimensions by just existing.
Destiny doesn't contain a multiverse in his book, his book is however capable of rewriting it. And what does the fourth world have to do with anything?
Nobody says it is. I was just listing feats better than "making reality shake" which you claimed was his best feat.
A single dimension, yes. While the beyonder destroyed who knows how many just by standing there and getting a little riled up. His mere presence was also altering the entire multiverse a great deal.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where? Michael was keeping creation stable atom by atom, second by second by his will alone. Far better than anything Beyonder did.
I was under the impression that he did it in the avengers tie in to SW2, but upon rechecking it was merely a statement. He could have ended the multiverse via dreaming only since his imagination and reality were one. Personally i dont doubt that statement and we've seen Doom in SW1 having to deal with a similar thing when he had the Beyonder's powers. Though either way the spiderman/SW mini revealed that doom and spidey did in fact briefly recreate all of existence so there's that. You'll probably claim that it's non canon though.
But anyway... Michael keeping creation stable? pfft.. Beyonder literally embodies every atom in his beyond realm which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse. So congrats to Michael on stabilizing a droplet in the ocean that is the beyond realm?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Meh. What did Owen do to make this impressive?Multiversal damage? You're talking like the multiverse was destroyed. It wasn't.
That was sheer hyperbole unless you think Captain America can stalemate Owen or repair damage done by him.
You've shown feats that aren't even worth Spectre (Recreated multiverse in Final Crisis), (along with Anti Monitor destroyed creation and recreated it which was later retconned as being at half power) etc.
Like I said Beyonder is all hype.
Yes there was damage across the entire multiverse and Owen repaired that with a finger. He also collected energy from all the multiverse to create a multiversal dome and removed every living being in the multiverse to a dimension beyond the multiverse with a last iota of his power. He also managed to transport beyonder's energies (which were millions of times more than all the multiverse) to the beyond realm. And he was far above the other abstracts too.
Even if it was a hyperbole (as in, not exactly true) the point was that Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to Owen (he said so himself), despite how ridiculously powerful Owen was.
If you think that Beyonder wasn't far and away above all the other Marvel beings then you missed the point of SW2 tbh. It was clearly and consistently shown and stated to be so on panel. All the beings were literally microbes (outright stated) compared to him.
Also Spectre never recreated the multiverse in FC but that's beside the point anyway.
Originally posted by operator616
What's with the meh? so casually destroying a dome capable of withstanding multiversal destruction and making all the abstracts shit their pants is now "meh"? So those are somehow less impressive than making reality shake (which you allege is his best feat)?
Yes. At this level, they really are meh feats. Remind me, what had any of those "abstracts" had done which was so impressive.
Destiny doesn't contain a multiverse in his book, his book is however capable of rewriting it.
Well, color me shocked.
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The book contains everything.
And what does the fourth world have to do with anything?
Its far bigger than multiverse just like Beyond universe was.
Nobody says it is. I was just listing feats better than "making reality shake" which you claimed was his best feat.
Billions of universes aren't better than infinite multiverse shaking though.
A single dimension, yes. While the beyonder destroyed who knows how many just by standing there and getting a little riled up. His mere presence was also altering the entire multiverse a great deal.
It wasn't many dimensions though.
Superman alters the multiverse by just his presence as well as shown in Doomsday clock , are we supposed to be impressed with that.
I was under the impression that he did it in the avengers tie in to SW2, but upon rechecking it was merely a statement. He could have ended the multiverse via dreaming only since his imagination and reality were one. Personally i dont doubt that statement and we've seen Doom in SW1 having to deal with a similar thing when he had the Beyonder's powers. Though either way the spiderman/SW mini revealed that doom and spidey did in fact briefly recreate all of existence so there's that. You'll probably claim that it's non canon though.
It is non canon, it's all ages imprint and the writer said it was out of continuity. Beyonder also claimed Dr Strange could trap his mind forever, he was all over the place in statements.
But anyway... Michael keeping creation stable? pfft.. Beyonder literally embodies every atom in his beyond realm which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse. So congrats to Michael on stabilizing a droplet in the ocean that is the beyond realm?
Congrats on Beyonder for embodiment of fourth world level universe?
Michael hits a level higher.
Yes there was damage across the entire multiverse and Owen repaired that with a finger. He also collected energy from all the multiverse to create a multiversal dome and removed every living being in the multiverse to a dimension beyond the multiverse with a last iota of his power. He also managed to transport beyonder's energies (which were millions of times more than all the multiverse) to the beyond realm. And he was far above the other abstracts too.
So he wasn't as powerful as Captain America relatively to Beyonder. Good.
Also, hardly that impressive all things considered.
Even if it was a hyperbole (as in, not exactly true) the point was that Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to Owen (he said so himself), despite how ridiculously powerful Owen was.
Maybe, you want to hype both Owen and Beyonder compared to each other but it doesn't work that way.
If you think that Beyonder wasn't far and away above all the other Marvel beings then you missed the point of SW2 tbh. It was clearly and consistently shown and stated to be so on panel. All the beings were literally microbes (outright stated) compared to him.
Fortunately, DC comics don't come under marvel comics umbrella and thus the comparison is frankly meaningless.
Also Spectre never recreated the multiverse in FC but that's beside the point anyway.
Yes, he did. Explicitly so.
