Originally posted by Robtard
One of the problems is, we don't really have Islamic Extremist in positions of power like law enforcement, military and politics, like we do with White Supremacist.
Solutions for the problem are challenging to say the least, one of the biggest problems though is when you take an extreme position and throw gasoline on it in regards to America's gun culture.
The movie Imperium I thought was pretty good and touched on issues in regards to the folks in power.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're focusing on labels while ignoring the Obama admin's record on targeting Islamic Extremism. eg his admin is the one that finally took out Osama.But if you don't want to call these White Supremacist "terrorist", then don't; I don't care.
People focus on labels with Trump too. When he first called this an "act of cowardice" I saw articles crying he didn't call it "terrorism".
So either labels matter or they don't. It is irrelevant to me what the left chooses, but they do need to choose. I have no issue with calling white supremacists terrorists.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Solutions for the problem are challenging to say the least, one of the biggest problems though is when you take an extreme position and throw gasoline on it in regards to America's gun culture.The movie Imperium I thought was pretty good and touched on issues in regards to the folks in power.
It's natural that when there's a mass murder, gun control is going to come up, as it keeps happening and nothing much changes. This time a military grade rifle was used. Yes, the extreme angles on either side don't help.
I know I watched that, but I can't recall it very well. Had Harry Potter in it, think he did a decent job.
Originally posted by Surtur
People focus on labels with Trump too. When he first called this an "act of cowardice" I saw articles crying he didn't call it "terrorism".So either labels matter or they don't. It is irrelevant to me what the left chooses, but they do need to choose. I have no issue with calling white supremacists terrorists.
Seems like you're saying Obama never called terrorist acts out; this is of course not true.
What Obama said was that he specifically wouldn't say the words "Islamic Terrorism".
The issue with Trump is that he has no problem calling an attack "terrorism" if the murderer is a Muslim eg Florida nightclub shooting
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LOL. He never called it what it actually was: radical Islamic terrorism, because he didn't wanna offend his muslim brethren (though he certainly had no problem insulting Christians every chance he got). Neither did that b*tch Hillarey ever call it by it's real name. Not surprising since her and Obama together helped create ISIS. 👆
No doubt you and other lefties will deny this though lol. Can't talk bad about your savior Obammy and Hildabeast, after all. That's a big no no.
Originally posted by Robtard
Seems like you're saying Obama never called terrorist acts out; this is of course not true.What Obama said was that he specifically wouldn't say the words "Islamic Terrorism".
The issue with Trump is that he has no problem calling an attack "terrorism" if the murderer is a Muslim eg Florida nightclub shooting
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Jesus, are we gonna pretend if he used the word terrorism and never mentioned white supremacy people wouldn't b*tch? They would.
Lets bottom line this: white supremacist terrorism should be labeled exactly that. Islamic terrorism should be labeled exactly that. If a muslim is too stupid to see the phrase refers just to terrorists that is their problem and not a reason to not properly label it. It's also damn insulting, IMO, to assume muslims cannot properly grasp what is being said.
You cannot have it both ways.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're still ignoring a key point: Trump has no problem saying "terrorism" when it's a Muslim.In fact, he used any Muslim-related terrorist attack to push his agenda with limitations on people coming in to the US from Muslim countries.
Okay, Trumps a hypocrite too.
Doesn't change the fact both kinds of terrorism should get the proper labels.
And don't go down this road, dems use any shooting to push anti-gun agendas. So can we not?
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, Trumps a hypocrite too.Doesn't change the fact both kinds of terrorism should get the proper labels.
And don't go down this road, dems use any shooting to push anti-gun agendas. So can we not?
Both sides use shootings to either push for gun reform or even looser laws.
After a shooting, it's logical to talk about guns, considering nothing gets done and we just roll onto the next shooting.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Robs doing his best to ignore the Ohio Shooter because he only cares about brown people
Originally posted by Surtur
Similar to how left wing talking points in the el paso manifesto are ignored while right wing talking points are honed in on like a fly on a turd.
I literally posted in that thread this morning with an update, you ridiculous Trumpers.
#deflectionsnoted
Originally posted by Robtard
Both sides use shootings to either push for gun reform or even looser laws.After a shooting, it's logical to talk about guns, considering nothing gets done and we just roll onto the next shooting.
Nothing gets done cuz usually no valid solutions are presented and politicians just use it to fundraise and scream how "something" needs to be done.
And of course if they truly cared about gun deaths they'd be going after handguns.
After the Dems take the Oval, keep the House (likely gaining more seats thanks to Trump) and possibly take the Senate in 2020, This shitbag using a military grade assault weapon will be a fulcrum to push hard for gun reform in 2021.
edit: and unfortunately, all the shootings that will happen between not and then as well
Originally posted by Robtard
Both sides use shootings to either push for gun reform or even looser laws.
I'd say that most of the right-wingers do not push for looser laws. Most of them support no-nonsense gun control laws especially if you ask them about background checks and mental health considerations.
Originally posted by Robtard
After a shooting, it's logical to talk about guns, considering nothing gets done and we just roll onto the next shooting.
Taking away guns will not resolve the homicide violence problems, however.
Why would you address fewer than 1% of the homicides with sweeping laws, though? What about the vast majority of other homicides?
Let's start with the black on black homicides which constitute a majority of the homicides. You know, I'd like a lot less black men to be dying in my country. Seems odd that black people make up the comfortable majority of murder victims, bruv. I'd like that to not be the case.
What gun laws would have prevented the El Paso shooting?
@ddm I'd say most Left-wingers don't push for a "ban all guns". It's more to do with the same. eg Bernie's approach in 2016. Unfortunately the vocal minority screams the loudest.
I don't know exactly. Am curious why an AK47 is legal though, that's a military-grade weapon. Though he could have done similar damage with an AR15-type and those are classified as "sports rifle" or something like that.