Irrelevant.
Palpatine is the Dark Lord Of The Sith and has the reflexes to easily react to laser beams.
Palpatine could easily compress a tiny part of Cap's brain and incapacitate/kill him before Cap even has a chance to attack.
The hammer to Sidious is a shiny paperweight and plays no crucial role in this fight, as its wielder will be dead in seconds anyway.
Originally posted by CaveDude33211
Irrelevant.Palpatine is the Dark Lord Of The Sith and has the reflexes to easily react to laser beams.
Palpatine could easily compress a tiny part of Cap's brain and incapacitate/kill him before Cap even has a chance to attack.
The hammer to Sidious is a shiny paperweight and plays no crucial role in this fight, as its wielder will be dead in seconds anyway.
👆 Very accurate.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Can the spell detect the force though?It wasn't detecting being moved by a Helicarrier in AV1.
It could be tied to intent to some degree. Like the guy in the truck was actively driving the truck in an effort to move the hammer. The pilot of the helicarrier might not even have known the specifics of the worthiness enchantment of the hammer and didn't factor it into their piloting job at all. They were just flying the helicarrier.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It could be tied to intent to some degree. Like the guy in the truck was actively driving the truck in an effort to move the hammer. The pilot of the helicarrier might not even have known the specifics of the worthiness enchantment of the hammer and didn't factor it into their piloting job at all. They were just flying the helicarrier.
Fair point.
But then you have beings like Vision using the hammer, which tecnically isn't a living being but more like a AI, which however are clearly intending on wielding it.
Notice how Vision isn't worthy, as he doesn't seem to possess the powers of Thor when he wields Mjolnir, however he can still lift it.
So, the Force should be able to lift Mjolnir, as it isn't a biologically alive but is still described as having living properties.
Tecnically, according to the Jedi, what we call TK isn't TK, but moving objects through the Force.
To be fair, Vision holds Mjolnir twice IIRC, and only once in combat. So, we don't really definitively know either way whether or not he could use the other abilities. He never tries to call down lightning. Just gave Ultron a big wack with it after Thor kept him distracted. Though considering what Hawkeye did to him in Civil War with the taser arrows, it might end badly for him if he tried lol. Maybe he can't, maybe he can but electrocutes and kills himself in the process. Or maybe he can do so without harm, but we'll probably never know.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
To be fair, Vision holds Mjolnir twice IIRC, and only once in combat. So, we don't really definitively know either way whether or not he could use the other abilities. He never tries to call down lightning. Just gave Ultron a big wack with it after Thor kept him distracted. Though considering what Hawkeye did to him in Civil War with the taser arrows, it might end badly for him if he tried lol. Maybe he can't, maybe he can but electrocutes and kills himself in the process. Or maybe he can do so without harm, but we'll probably never know.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thor thought he was Worthy which is why he let him keep the mindstone.
Thor thought Vision was worthy of the mindstone or Worthy?
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThor thought Vision was worthy of the mindstone or Worthy?
Worthy of lifting Mjolnir, which let him trust Vision with the Mind Stone. He says that to Cap and Tony in their end conversation in AOU.
Also recall SW couldnt read Ultron but could read Vision, suggesting he is a living being.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Worthy of lifting Mjolnir, which let him trust Vision with the Mind Stone. He says that to Cap and Tony in their end conversation in AOU.Also recall SW couldnt read Ultron but could read Vision, suggesting he is a living being.
I honestly don't remember that conversation.
But I don't recall Vision showing any of Thor's powers/abilities except for being able to lift Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He did not. But he literally just lifted/used it twice. Once once to pass it to Thor, and once to hit Ultron away.
He lifted it, I agree, it's evident, but the thing is that we don't know if he lifted it because he was indeed Worthy (The hammer's spell recognized him as Worthy) or if he bypassed the Spell (The spell didn't even recognized him).
When Cap became Worthy we saw electricity coming off his body, whilst Vision proyected not such a thing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post examples of Palpatine doing so.
He can't cuz it never happened. However, I will say Palpatine has the strength to crush a dudes heart. It's just a matter of if he has the finesse to target a specific part of the body. Vader can force choke people from great distances, he does it slowly to make people suffer and to make a point to the other officers, but given how easily he can crush metal I don't see why he couldn't insta-crush a dudes throat if he truly wanted to do so. True he has never done this on screen, I am extrapolating based on a variety of his feats.
I personally would say Palpatine could probably do anything with the force that a weakened, burned, amputated, etc. Vader could do. We know he has great tk strength considering how easily he was chucking those senate pods around. So it comes down to how much skill you wanna grant him.
Originally posted by Surtur
He can't cuz it never happened. However, I will say Palpatine has the strength to crush a dudes heart. It's just a matter of if he has the finesse to target a specific part of the body. Vader can force choke people from great distances, he does it slowly to make people suffer and to make a point to the other officers, but given how easily he can crush metal I don't see why he couldn't insta-crush a dudes throat if he truly wanted to do so. True he has never done this on screen, I am extrapolating based on a variety of his feats.I personally would say Palpatine could probably do anything with the force that a weakened, burned, amputated, etc. Vader could do. We know he has great tk strength considering how easily he was chucking those senate pods around. So it comes down to how much skill you wanna grant him.
Agreed, he has the powerset and level of power needed to do things like that. it's just that h1 has a habit of arguing based on what he wants to happen. whereas the board argues based on feats and character. so I wanted to know if h1 actually knew what he was talking about or was just talking out his a$$ like usual.
Only a couple people had to ruin it by coming in and giving h1 part of the answer.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Agreed, he has the powerset and level of power needed to do things like that. it's just that h1 has a habit of arguing based on what he wants to happen. whereas the board argues based on feats and character. so I wanted to know if h1 actually knew what he was talking about or was just talking out his a$$ like usual.Only a couple people had to ruin it by coming in and giving h1 part of the answer.
😂 sorry.
Originally posted by CaveDude33211Biased conjecture. Nothing more.
Irrelevant.Palpatine is the Dark Lord Of The Sith and has the reflexes to easily react to laser beams.
Palpatine could easily compress a tiny part of Cap's brain and incapacitate/kill him before Cap even has a chance to attack.
The hammer to Sidious is a shiny paperweight and plays no crucial role in this fight, as its wielder will be dead in seconds anyway.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Biased conjecture. Nothing more.
Nah, I'm not biased towards Sidious - I've always been against Sidious in versus threads. 🙂
Also as a former-Marine, I have always looked at Captain America as one of my heroes.
Sidious isn't the most powerful Sith Lord as most claim - but Sidious, especially at his peak, could easily kill Cap in dozens of different ways, easily.
For example, Sidious could:
Use the Force to crush Cap into a fleshy ball
Mind-rape Cap into taking his own life
Slice Cap into a dozen pieces in the space of a second
Use Moricho to halt Cap's circulatory-system, resulting in organ-death
Blow Cap up with Force Destruction
Use Force Storm to teleport Cap into space, where he asphyxiates and freezes to death
The possibilities are nearly endless with the Force.
Cap is awesome, but he's an insect to Palpatine.
Originally posted by CaveDude33211When does he ever crush anyone. He has never mind raped someone in combat you goober. Just biased nonsense.
Nah, I'm not biased towards Sidious - I've always been against Sidious in versus threads. 🙂Also as a former-Marine, I have always looked at Captain America as one of my heroes.
Sidious isn't the most powerful Sith Lord as most claim - but Sidious, especially at his peak, could easily kill Cap in dozens of different ways, easily.
For example, Sidious could:
Use the Force to crush Cap into a fleshy ball
Mind-rape Cap into taking his own life
Slice Cap into a dozen pieces in the space of a second
Use Moricho to halt Cap's circulatory-system, resulting in organ-death
Blow Cap up with Force Destruction
Use Force Storm to teleport Cap into space, where he asphyxiates and freezes to death
The possibilities are nearly endless with the Force.
Cap is awesome, but he's an insect to Palpatine.
Originally posted by CaveDude33211
Nah, I'm not biased towards Sidious - I've always been against Sidious in versus threads. 🙂Also as a former-Marine, I have always looked at Captain America as one of my heroes.
Sidious isn't the most powerful Sith Lord as most claim - but Sidious, especially at his peak, could easily kill Cap in dozens of different ways, easily.
For example, Sidious could:
Use the Force to crush Cap into a fleshy ball
Mind-rape Cap into taking his own life
Slice Cap into a dozen pieces in the space of a second
Use Moricho to halt Cap's circulatory-system, resulting in organ-death
Blow Cap up with Force Destruction
Use Force Storm to teleport Cap into space, where he asphyxiates and freezes to death
The possibilities are nearly endless with the Force.
Cap is awesome, but he's an insect to Palpatine.
Semper Fi Marine. You know Caps a soldier though, the Punisher is a real Marine hero