Spider-Man's future in the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
I believe Spiderman and Sony have benefitted immensely from Marvel Studios involvement in the Tom Holland iteration of Spiderman, moreso than the other way around, so it wasn't unreasonable for Disney to negotiate for greater than the 5% movie profits they were receiving. Had Sony developed another Spiderman movie on their own, given how the previous two were received, it would have made less than Justice League and critically received worse than ASM2. I think a 50-50 split was reaching on Disney's part, however as always in negotiations, the first offer must always be more than what you're expecting to get; I think realistically Disney would have been happy with a 25-30% share.

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Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
I believe Spiderman and Sony have benefitted immensely from Marvel Studios involvement in the Tom Holland iteration of Spiderman, moreso than the other way around, so it wasn't unreasonable for Disney to negotiate for greater than the 5% movie profits they were receiving. Had Sony developed another Spiderman movie on their own, given how the previous two were received, it would have made less than Justice League and critically received worse than ASM2. I think a 50-50 split was reaching on Disney's part, however as always in negotiations, the first offer must always be more than what you're expecting to get; I think realistically Disney would have been happy with a 25-30% share.

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Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
I believe Spiderman and Sony have benefitted immensely from Marvel Studios involvement in the Tom Holland iteration of Spiderman, moreso than the other way around, so it wasn't unreasonable for Disney to negotiate for greater than the 5% movie profits they were receiving. Had Sony developed another Spiderman movie on their own, given how the previous two were received, it would have made less than Justice League and critically received worse than ASM2. I think a 50-50 split was reaching on Disney's part, however as always in negotiations, the first offer must always be more than what you're expecting to get; I think realistically Disney would have been happy with a 25-30% share.

Word is Sony offered a 70/30 split but Disney refused anything less that 50%.

And even a 70/30 split would have been a Huge change to the original contract which all the fans were expecting to be renewed without issue.

Disney was already benefitting by having Spider-Man play a huge part in the last 2 Avenger films both of which grossed over $2billion, neither of which Sony received anything for.

On top of that Disney benefited from the toy/merchandise sales of these new well/received Spider-Man films.

Disney are simply being greedy at the expense of the fans.

https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers

No idea if true, but still, if it is, that's good.

Originally posted by -Pr-
https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers

No idea if true, but still, if it is, that's good.

Wouldn't be surprising.

The last thing Disney wants is to lose Spidey

I do find Tom Holland to be a little two face when he just outright unfollowed Sony on social media for this. It would seem it forgot it was because of Sony he got the job, because Marvel wanted Asa Butterfield.

I do think loyalty to a certain point is required from Holland. Then again knowing the power Disney holds, they might have forced him to make a choice.

Not sure about cosmic book news as a source, but this would be an offer Sony Might Accept.

The whole Venom being in the MCU thing would be further confirmation that Disney wanted 50% (now possibly 30%) of everything Sony makes Spider-Man related. Not just the Solo Spider-Man films.

Originally posted by SquallX
I do find Tom Holland to be a little two face when he just outright unfollowed Sony on social media for this. It would seem it forgot it was because of Sony he got the job, because Marvel wanted Asa Butterfield.

I do think loyalty to a certain point is required from Holland. Then again knowing the power Disney holds, they might have forced him to make a choice.

Holland said in an interview last year that he wouldnt play Spidey if he had to give up the MCU.

So that doesnt surprise me.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Holland said in an interview last year that he wouldnt play Spidey if he had to give up the MCU.

So that doesnt surprise me.

Disney really got him by the balls then.

Then again, he wants to turn Spider-Man gay. So **** him.

Will you ever stop posting negative and poor thought-out posts? 😂

I don't think anyone finds your emo vision entertaining tbh.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Will you ever stop posting negative and poor thought-out posts? 😂

I don't think anyone finds your emo vision entertaining tbh.

The world is full of negative shits, the faster you learn that lesson, the better. As for my poor thought out post, could care less what you think.

Never been called emo before, so that’s a new one.

But I guess you’re one of those that just bends over and take what big corporations give you without even a whimper?

Originally posted by SquallX
I do find Tom Holland to be a little two face when he just outright unfollowed Sony on social media for this. It would seem it forgot it was because of Sony he got the job, because Marvel wanted Asa Butterfield.

I do think loyalty to a certain point is required from Holland. Then again knowing the power Disney holds, they might have forced him to make a choice.

Well consider that the MCU backlash is a fact...Him showing loyalty to Sony could cripple his career if not outright destroy it.

Holland choosing sides with Disney is the smartest move.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Holland said in an interview last year that he wouldnt play Spidey if he had to give up the MCU.

So that doesnt surprise me.

It's all strategy.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well consider that the MCU backlash is a fact...Him showing loyalty to Sony could cripple his career if not outright destroy it.

Holland choosing sides with Disney is the smartest move.

Never had a problem with that. I just thought since it was Sony that hired him, he should have showed a little respect to Sony.

He could have been the middle ground between both companies, but he just outright kicked Sony to the curb the second he had a chance.

I have no problem with him choosing Disney, it was just the speed he did it in.

Originally posted by SquallX
Never had a problem with that. I just thought since it was Sony that hired him, he should have showed a little respect to Sony.

He could have been the middle ground between both companies, but he just outright kicked Sony to the curb the second he had a chance.

I have no problem with him choosing Disney, it was just the speed he did it in.

Don't forget that the cinema industry is still an industry, where business is still the priority.

You can't allow your heart to play a part when business is concerned. Loyalty is but an outcome of money in the industry... Capitalism is all about interest and none about feelings.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well consider that the MCU backlash is a fact...Him showing loyalty to Sony could cripple his career if not outright destroy it.

Holland choosing sides with Disney is the smartest move.

Nah he should have stayed neutral.

What if his next big films are with other studios? Then they will all know he will screw them for Disney? Not smart.

He is butthurt himself over the MCU split. He said it last year that he wouldnt give up his MCU ticket for a Sony only Spider-Man.

Originally posted by SquallX
The world is full of negative shits, the faster you learn that lesson, the better. As for my poor thought out post, could care less what you think.

Never been called emo before, so that’s a new one.

But I guess you’re one of those that just bends over and take what big corporations give you without even a whimper?

I dont think Adam is a Disney fanboy.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah he should have stayed neutral.

What if his next big films are with other studios? Then they will all know he will screw them for Disney? Not smart.

He is butthurt himself over the MCU split. He said it last year that he wouldnt give up his MCU ticket for a Sony only Spider-Man.

Fair point, yeah, I changed my mind, he should have stayed neutral.

Originally posted by -Pr-
https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers

No idea if true, but still, if it is, that's good.

it does sound true, but who knows....

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wouldn't be surprising.

The last thing Disney wants is to lose Spidey

would you say Sony Needs Disney more than Disney needs Sony or the other way around

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
it does sound true, but who knows....

would you say Sony Needs Disney more than Disney needs Sony or the other way around

In the short term, definitely Disney needs Fox more. Current MCU has involved Spider Man too much...

Remember how things were tense when Batista said he would resign as Drax?

A simple change of actor for a character can have dire effects in a movie... Now imagine eliminating a character from the picture! He leaving will definitely leave a whole in the MCU trajectory, despite he being abscent from Phase 4.

What's worse, Marvel currently has no way (at least not that I see of) to justify within the movies the abscence of Spiderman. They literaly can't use him at all... They can't mention him nor directly make reference as to why his departure.

So, storytellingwise, Disney has the losing side.

In terms of money, I see Fox having the losing side.