Captain Marvel (DC) vs. Orion (arm wrestling)

Originally posted by Delta1938
Abhi never claimed Orion had the strength advantage. Maybe YOU need to reread posts before making assumptions and see why you're extremely ignorant.....bruh.

And Hulk has lost to snakes and fire hoses.

You seem to be awfully upset about this. The Hulk has variable levels, which can be used to explain lows in a comic. Orion was stopped by an extremely heavy object that suddenly became heavier. What do fights have to do with strength, and leverage? You were going back and forth arguing battle feats in an attempt to prove who'd win an arm wrestling competition. I brought up something that questions Orion's ability to win here, and asked if anyone thought that Shazam would be pinned beneath a similar weight? What was your answer? Anyway have fun.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If you're talking when Dreadnaught was duplicating Superman's powers, I don't think he duplicated them to 100% considering how Superman treated Dreadnaught in a rematch when he resisted Psi-Phon.

I got the impression that Dreadnaught was completely duplicating their powers because Clark suspected that Dreadnaught was being overloaded with power and Psi-Phon confirmed it.

Plus, Clark had a personal force-field given to him by Dr. Hamilton, and he was beating on a weakened/powerless Dreadnaught since Clark said "I really hate to hit a foe when he's down."

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No it isnt. Strength doesn't equal durability.

Thats the not the same for everybody in comics

Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to be awfully upset about this. The Hulk has variable levels, which can be used to explain lows in a comic. Orion was stopped by an extremely heavy object that suddenly became heavier. What do fights have to do with strength, and leverage? You were going back and forth arguing battle feats in an attempt to prove who'd win an arm wrestling competition. I brought up something that questions Orion's ability to win here, and asked if anyone thought that Shazam would be pinned beneath a similar weight? What was your answer? Anyway have fun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In most cases it is. And Orion is such a case.

prove it

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
prove it

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
YOU were implying It was. stop backtracking now

You got caught in your lie

I posted a blatant strength feat when you asked Carv for one, and you tried to post a "comparable" one then switched it to a durability feat when I addressed it.

NOBODY asked whether Orion was durable

He's not backtracking. He never implied it, it's your poor reading comprehension. Actually I think you're lying, you know you got caught looking like a retard by misunderstanding his post and are accusing him of lying to try and cover yourself.

Nah I'm giving you way too much credit. You actually think he's backtracking.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? When he is weaker in strength, his durability also decreases just like that.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Delta1938
He's not backtracking. He never implied it, it's your poor reading comprehension. Actually I think you're lying, you know you got caught looking like a retard by misunderstanding his post and are accusing him of lying to try and cover yourself.

Nah I'm giving you way too much credit. You actually think he's backtracking.

Here comes the ad hominem attacks.

Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to be awfully upset about this. The Hulk has variable levels, which can be used to explain lows in a comic. Orion was stopped by an extremely heavy object that suddenly became heavier. What do fights have to do with strength, and leverage? You were going back and forth arguing battle feats in an attempt to prove who'd win an arm wrestling competition. I brought up something that questions Orion's ability to win here, and asked if anyone thought that Shazam would be pinned beneath a similar weight? What was your answer? Anyway have fun.

I'm the one upset? I think you're projecting, because you got pretty defensive here. I cited Hulk's examples because characters have bad showings. Your defensive arguments are irrelevant, because even if we take a calm Hulk's Class 70 as literally 70 tons, Hulk shouldn't be losing to those.

And yeah, I had forgotten about Orion breaking out of it like Abhi cited.

I dunno, maybe it is easier to break out of titanium with no leverage than to support the weight he lifted. But even if we pretend this is a valid argument, does it counter the multiple fights he's had with Superman?

Superman feats doesn't transfer to Orion

Originally posted by The_Dog_of_War
I got the impression that Dreadnaught was completely duplicating their powers because Clark suspected that Dreadnaught was being overloaded with power and Psi-Phon confirmed it.

Plus, Clark had a personal force-field given to him by Dr. Hamilton, and he was beating on a weakened/powerless Dreadnaught since Clark said "I really hate to hit a foe when he's down."

I think you're mistaking what I said. I'm not talking when Clark as Clark with the force field fought Dreadnaught, I'm talking another issue (I think same title under the same writers but could be wrong) and Superman fought Dreadnaught while resisting Psi-Phon's telepathy. Dreadnaught got wrecked, and I wouldn't attribute it to superior skill/experience on Superman's part. So I don't think Dreadnaught duplicated powers to 100%.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Here comes the ad hominem attacks.

Your tears of unfathomable sadness are delicious.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman feats doesn't transfer to Orion

Quote where anybody claimed this. And I want a direct statement, not some weak ass "implied" when it actually wasn't.

You're basing Orion off a holding back Superman.
How does that make him superior to Shazam

Shazam's actually beaten Superman before unlike Orion

Originally posted by The_Dog_of_War
Both characters are Pre-New 52, and they're arm wrestling on an adamantium table.

An ad hominem table? Does the table insult Billy's manliness, or patriotism?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You're basing Orion off a holding back Superman.
How does that make him superior to Shazam

Shazam's actually beaten Superman before unlike Orion

You didn't actually read the comic. And Superman was clearly at a higher level than Billy overpowering J'onn.

Plus magick makes any argument you have irrelevant. Also Captain Marvel only won via sucker punching. Fail is fail, just like "Abhi said Orion had the advantage."

Still waiting for someone claiming Orion gets Superman's feats.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You didn't actually read the comic. And Superman was clearly at a higher level than Billy overpowering J'onn.

Plus magick makes any argument you have irrelevant. Also Captain Marvel only won via sucker punching. Fail is fail, just like "Abhi said Orion had the advantage."

Still waiting for someone claiming Orion gets Superman's feats.

Shazam's also overpowered J'onn, how does that change anything?

I haven't seen not one instance where Superman had the raw strength dvantage over Shazam in their fights without some mind control involved

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Shazam's also overpowered J'onn, how does that change anything?

I haven't seen not one instance where Superman had the raw strength dvantage over Shazam in their fights without some mind control involved

Yeah, J'onn+Wonder Woman/Supergirl/Barda/ect >J'onn. Superman was barely restrained by them combined. Orion still matched him. More impressive than overpowering J'onn.

You mean where Superman if anyone is hindered? Great argument there.

But by your own logic every time there wasn't sucker punching involved Superman showed the advantage. You argued Orion's fight didn't count because he blasted Superman with Astro-Force. By that very logic, Captain Marvel's mystical nature compensates for Superman a superiority. So just by nature of Superman matching him, Superman>Captain Marvel. And this would be an always thing unlike a single blast of Astro-Force.

But then you said Orion got stomped because.....he got knocked away. Here's Captain Marvel getting stomped despite magick on his side.

And this despite Cap's mystical nature. On top of it there's a case to be made Superman was weakened (even if a little) from prior Kryptonite and red solar energy exposure.

Or are you going to backtrack on what disqualified for it being strength and backtrack on what's getting stomped? Or maybe you'll use the retarded mind control argument. Retarded because it's Superman who will be at the disadvantage. Oh you're going to try and argue Eclipso wasn't holding back but Superman was against Orion? Eclipso wanted to possess Captain Marvel so he certainly wasn't going all out, and it's pretty inane to think Superman is going to hold back when facing Orion and the JLA plus more, unless your definition of "holding back" is "no be a murderous sociopath."

There's other examples I can give but I think this is enough until you clearly establish you're backtracking.

I'll also accept your concessions that Abhi wasn't implying Orion had the advantage, and you made up people giving Orion Superman's feats.

That's Eclipsed Superman. Eclipso confers amps, and likely makes him resistant to magic.

I ask Delta for a feat of Superman having the advantage without mind control and he proves a feat with mind control (eclipso) but he calls my comprehension skills poor. amazing

Eclipso is KNOWN for amping, period. irrelevant. Post a fight where Superman has an advantage