Originally posted by cdtm
That's Eclipsed Superman. Eclipso confers amps, and likely makes him resistant to magic.
Already been covered earlier.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I ask Delta for a feat of Superman having the advantage without mind control and he proves a feat with mind control (eclipso) but he calls my comprehension skills poor. amazingEclipso is KNOWN for amping, period. irrelevant. Post a fight where Superman has an advantage
Even if we pretend you're not making stupid qualifiers to cover your inability to counter this (like the Eclipso argument has already been covered) you're completely ignoring the point that by YOUR OWN STANDARDS on dismissing the Orion fight because Astro-Force used once, your entire argument for Captain Marvel is invalid because magick.
You will ignore that you didn't respond to magick invalidates by your own standards. You embarrassed yourself yet again.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Exactly. But Delta doesn't read so this is expected
Originally posted by Delta1938Eclipso amps by mixing his energy with their energy, so it's incompatible with Superman. Compare Superman's fights with normal humans possessed to his fight with Lar Gand. If it amped Kryptonians/Daxamites, it sure didn't show with Lar.
The irony is delicious.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Already been covered earlier.Even if we pretend you're not making stupid qualifiers to cover your inability to counter this (like the Eclipso argument has already been covered) you're completely ignoring the point that by YOUR OWN STANDARDS on dismissing the Orion fight because Astro-Force used once, your entire argument for Captain Marvel is invalid because magick.
You will ignore that you didn't respond to magick invalidates by your own standards. You embarrassed yourself yet again.
The irony is delicious.
THE Astroforce AMPS Orion are you serious?
How is that in any way shape or form the same as Cap Marve being magically powered by Shazam? It's his power source obviously. your logic isn't making any sense here but glad to know you don't have any argument
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
THE Astroforce AMPS Orion are you serious?How is that in any way shape or form the same as Cap Marve being magically powered by Shazam? It's his power source obviously. your logic isn't making any sense here but glad to know you don't have any argument
I didn't say the Astro-Force amps Orion. He has amped his punches, but I wasn't referring to that and it's pretty clear you think I said it's a strength amp. No, you dismissed the fight because he blasted Superman.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil^you count Orion using the astroforce as pure physical strength?
Here's what happens when Orion goes strength to strength with Superman.
Get stomped
Gets stomped
Only time ehe has an advantage is when the others gang up on Supes
How you think this "feat" is anywhere as impressive as the Shazam/JL feat doesn't surprise me one bit
Or did you think Abhi was claiming an Astro-Force blast=strength? I think that'd actually be worse than you dismissing the fight because Orion started it with a blast.
And my point was by your standards then nothing Cap does is legit against Superman because the mystical effect. Of course this argument was based on giving you more credit than I'm starting to think I should have.
Originally posted by cdtm
Lar Gand was also on the dark side of the moon for quite awhile, though.Eclipso amps, sure. That doesn't mean Lar suddenly stops needing solar energy to top off his reserves.
And Superman had been fighting in darkness for quite a while. Not as long as Lar was there, but all his fighting certainly would have used up more energy.
Yes, Eclipso amps, but even if we ignore the way it works is incompatible with Kryptonians and Daxamites, your argument that Lar was on the dark side of the Moon would require him being weaker than the normal humans Eclipso possessed that Superman fought given how badly Superman beat him despite the suffocating disadvantage.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I didn't say the Astro-Force amps Orion. He has amped his punches, but I wasn't referring to that and it's pretty clear you think I said it's a strength amp. No, you dismissed the fight because he blasted Superman.Or did you think Abhi was claiming an Astro-Force blast=strength? I think that'd actually be worse than you dismissing the fight because Orion started it with a blast.
And my point was by your standards then nothing Cap does is legit against Superman because the mystical effect. Of course this argument was based on giving you more credit than I'm starting to think I should have.
wait you think the same thing applies to shazam whenever he visibly damages Superman? It's his power source, are you literally saying the feat doesn't count for shazam because his power source is magic? desperate times
You know... It's pretty funny because Superman's pretty resistant to Magic so it would have less effect if you wanna use that
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
wait you think the same thing applies to shazam whenever he visibly damages Superman? It's his power source, are you literally saying the feat doesn't count for shazam because his power source is magic? desperate timesYou know... It's pretty funny because Superman's pretty resistant to Magic so it would have less effect if you wanna use that
I'm making arguments I usually wouldn't to work within YOUR logic and arguments. Or I should say what I perceived as your logic and arguments. I believed you dismissed the fight because Orion blasted him. Like it seemed you argued just because he used an energy blast the entire fight was invalid as a strength feat. So I brought up Captain Marvel's mystical nature.
Now I'm starting to think I was wrong, that you were actually replying as if Abhi said the blast was a strength showing.....which is worse than what I thought you were arguing. So my apologies if I gave you more credit than you deserved.
Ironically regardless of what you were arguing with Abhi, your argument that Cap actually had beaten Superman is invalid given it used Zeus amping(since you need it spelled out for you, I don't think this is an official term but it's used online to name what Cap did). Something you haven't addressed.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm making arguments I usually wouldn't to work within YOUR logic and arguments. Or I should say what I perceived as your logic and arguments. I believed you dismissed the fight because Orion blasted him. Like it seemed you argued just because he used an energy blast the entire fight was invalid as a strength feat. So I brought up Captain Marvel's mystical nature.Now I'm starting to think I was wrong, that you were actually replying as if Abhi said the blast was a strength showing.....which is worse than what I thought you were arguing. So my apologies if I gave you more credit than you deserved.
Ironically regardless of what you were arguing with Abhi, your argument that Cap actually had beaten Superman is invalid given it used Zeus amping(since you need it spelled out for you, I don't think this is an official term but it's used online to name what Cap did). Something you haven't addressed.
What do you think my argument is before I respond to that
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What do you think my argument is before I respond to that
My ORIGINAL interpretation of your argument was "Orion used the Astro-Force once in the fight so the entire fight is invalid as a strength feat." But now I'm thinking even that is giving you too much credit.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I think you're mistaking what I said. I'm not talking when Clark as Clark with the force field fought Dreadnaught, I'm talking another issue (I think same title under the same writers but could be wrong) and Superman fought Dreadnaught while resisting Psi-Phon's telepathy. Dreadnaught got wrecked, and I wouldn't attribute it to superior skill/experience on Superman's part. So I don't think Dreadnaught duplicated powers to 100%.
Well, in the issue I'm referring to Drednaught was overloaded with power; Clark suspected it and Psi-Phon confirmed it.
I think the only power Dreadnaught didn't duplicate was Martian Manhunter's invulnerability because he wanted to toy with him.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I was arguing the feat didn't confirm he was stronger than Shazam
Then why bring up Astro-Force at all? And regardless of what you want to believe, it's still better than what you brought up.
And glad you dropped accusing Abhi of backtracking because you were wrong (love how arrogant your were that I'd be proven wrong and we'll wait for what Abhi says then you accused him of lying because he "implied" it instead of you admitting your failed reading comprehension). Or that anybody gave Orion Superman's feats. I mean I rarely see people giving a character the feats of someone else, that's just not what's being argued. Except for Hulk is Hulk, but we all know he's you with slightly better English.
Originally posted by The_Dog_of_War
Well, in the issue I'm referring to Drednaught was overloaded with power; Clark suspected it and Psi-Phon confirmed it.I think the only power Dreadnaught didn't duplicate was Martian Manhunter's invulnerability because he wanted to toy with him.
Yes, I know. I've read the story. And a later comic, I do believe by the same writers(could be wrong), had Superman face them again but now that he knew how Psi-Phon worked he resisted the telepathy. You argued how Cap fared against Dreadnaught duplicating Superman, my point was because a later fight Superman was clearly superior to Dreadnaught duplicating his powers, I don't think Dreadnaught is actually equal to who he duplicates(skill and experience aside). And Superman was fairly casual in the beat down. It was ONLY Superman that Dreadnaught duplicated in the later comic, and Superman had no force field nor was in his Clark identity.
Why would I admit i was wrong if i never was in the first place? 😂 😂 YOU can think what you like, my point still stands, and i'm waiting for YOU TO provide a single scan of Superman ever having an advantage against shazam without some estoretic control
You've been dodging that for awhile now Delta. Im not doing this "He said! she said!" either you show what i ask for, or your concession is accepted.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil👆
Why would I admit i was wrong if i never was in the first place? 😂 😂 YOU can think what you like, my point still stands, and i'm waiting for YOU TO provide a single scan of Superman ever having an advantage against shazam without some estoretic controlYou've been dodging that for awhile now Delta. Im not doing this "He said! she said!" either you show what i ask for, or your concession is accepted.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why would I admit i was wrong if i never was in the first place? 😂 😂 YOU can think what you like, my point still stands, and i'm waiting for YOU TO provide a single scan of Superman ever having an advantage against shazam without some estoretic controlYou've been dodging that for awhile now Delta. Im not doing this "He said! she said!" either you show what i ask for, or your concession is accepted.
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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why would I admit i was wrong if i never was in the first place? 😂 😂 YOU can think what you like, my point still stands, and i'm waiting for YOU TO provide a single scan of Superman ever having an advantage against shazam without some estoretic controlYou've been dodging that for awhile now Delta. Im not doing this "He said! she said!" either you show what i ask for, or your concession is accepted.
Yes, just like you didn't run away from that BZ you agreed to. No, you were wrong then you accused Abhi of lying.
Your qualifiers are as stupid as your attempts to say Abhi backtracked.
Carter's cheerleading only proves me right.