Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
In all honesty Cap has been more worthy than even Thor since the beginning. The fact Thor(my favorite MCU character)who has shown plenty of character flaws since the beginning makes me think Superman should be able to wield it.
Cap failed to lift the hammer in AoU, he didn't become worthy until Endgame.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap failed to lift the hammer in AoU, he didn't become worthy until Endgame.
You sure? Because Thor seemed to know Cap could lift it all along and wasnt surprised whatsoever. Why would he say "He knew it." That implies that Cap could/should have wielded it sooner.
Not to mention my post was my opinion that Cap seemed a more worthy individual than Thor based on their character portrayal. I am aware that it was part of Thors storyline and what the writers wrote for Thor to be worthy but based on what I have seen Cap was more worthy from the get go in my opinion.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He beating and making fun of a much weaker opponent in the likes of Batman.He being vengeful against Batman in JL.
They guy is just not humble nor kind-hearted.
Oh you mean right after he just arose from the dead and wasnt aware of what was going on. I thought the movie was pretty obvious in pointing that out
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
You sure? Because Thor seemed to know Cap could lift it all along and wasnt surprised whatsoever. Why would he say "He knew it." That implies that Cap could/should have wielded it sooner.Not to mention my post was my opinion that Cap seemed a more worthy individual than Thor based on their character portrayal. I am aware that it was part of Thors storyline and what the writers wrote for Thor to be worthy but based on what I have seen Cap was more worthy from the get go in my opinion.
Yes, we all saw Cap and several other Avengers fail to lift Mjolnir in AoU.
We aren't using your definition of worthy, we are using the MCU's and according to the MCU even Cap didn't become worthy until Endgame.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, we all saw Cap and several other Avengers fail to lift Mjolnir in AoU.We aren't using your definition of worthy, we are using the MCU's and according to the MCU even Cap didn't become worthy until Endgame.
Well the Russo's agree with me
And I am aware they didnt direct AoU
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Well the Russo's agree with meAnd I am aware they didnt direct AoU
IOW, that was just their opinion and not something they had any say in.
BTW, we argue screen feats, not opinions from interviews.
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, that was just their opinion and not something they had any say in.BTW, we argue screen feats, not opinions from interviews.
It makes more sense that he could based on Thor's comment as well. Why would he say he knew Cap could do it? It also makes no sense that he could even make it budge if he wasnt worthy. You either are worthy or you arent or was Cap 51% worthy and Iron Man 49% thats why he could make it budge. That is just dumb.
Maybe the Russos including that line from Thor was retconning that scene fromSoU.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Well the Russo's agree with meAnd I am aware they didnt direct AoU
That makes the most sense now after the fact we've seen all the Avenger's films.
Cap was always worthy, since he's been the same standup guy all along.
'Our interpretation of the famous scene in Ultron was that when he realized he could pick up Mjolnir he quickly chose not to, because he didn’t want to embarrass Thor.' -snip
Hence Thor's "I KNEW IT!" cry when the moment finally happened.' -snip
Originally posted by Robtard
That makes the most sense now after the fact we've seen all the Avenger's films.Cap was always worthy, since he's been the same standup guy all along.
'Our interpretation of the famous scene in Ultron was that when he realized he could pick up Mjolnir he quickly chose not to, because he didn’t want to embarrass Thor.' -snip
Hence Thor's "I KNEW IT!" cry when the moment finally happened.' -snip
Honestly that makes no sense. He hardly nudges it a few centimetres. Not enough time to realise he can lift it but decide he better not.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Honestly that makes no sense. He hardly nudges it a few centimetres. Not enough time to realise he can lift it but decide he better not.
Makes more sense than just nudging it honestly. So Cap is only 51% worthy and Iron man is 25% worthy? That's why he moved it? You are either worthy or youre not. Feige is on board with that as well.
But back to the topic I still think by the end of JL Superman would be able to wield it.
I liked Kurt Busiek's interpretation of "conditional worthiness", where only Thor is worthy to weild it 24/7, period, and anyone else who meets certain conditions can weild it, but only in times of great need or exceptional circumstances.
So everyone that used Mjolnir in the comics, could at other times be unable to move it in inch, because that need is no longer there.
It's a neat concept, but then you have to explain why someone like Beta Ray Bill was able to lift of. Did the hammer detect a need here? Perhaps it sensed he could be a good ally of Asgard, and that Odin would be interested in using him to test his son?