Would Superman be worthy enough to lift Mjolnir?

Originally posted by cdtm
I liked Kurt Busiek's interpretation of "conditional worthiness", where only Thor is worthy to weild it 24/7, period, and anyone else who meets certain conditions can weild it, but only in times of great need or exceptional circumstances.

So everyone that used Mjolnir in the comics, could at other times be unable to move it in inch, because that need is no longer there.

It's a neat concept, but then you have to explain why someone like Beta Ray Bill was able to lift of. Did the hammer detect a need here? Perhaps it sensed he could be a good ally of Asgard, and that Odin would be interested in using him to test his son?

That does make some sense honestly

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Makes more sense than just nudging it honestly. So Cap is only 51% worthy and Iron man is 25% worthy? That's why he moved it? You are either worthy or youre not. Feige is on board with that as well.

But back to the topic I still think by the end of JL Superman would be able to wield it.

Why?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why?

Because it's never worked other then an either/or preposition.

You can move it. You can't move.

Cap moved it.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Just curious what scenes you are referring to. Please list them.

Not him but...

- Constant passive aggressive behavior in MOS.
-Trashed the work truck of a guy in a bar he had a slight argument with. Probably got the guy fired and ruined his life.

- Destroyed a multi million dollar piece of military equipment in front of the military and threatened them. "Dont spy on me or else!" Leaving all the tons of wreckage there for the military to clean up. And just flies off. Yeah the military and government should be totally fine with an alien that can kill anyone be roaming around free. When the same type of aliens leveled a city earlier.

- Not once during the city fight did Clark give a shit about any casualties or civilians.
When the fight was over, Clark decides to shove his tongue down Louise's throat all while ignoring the city background where there were thousands of dead and burning bodies screaming for help. During the kiss, the ashes of the dead civilians are falling down on them.

Forgetting a few more from MOS, and BVS, JL..... Like the montage of Supes saving people with a disgusted look on his face.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Not him but...

- Constant passive aggressive behavior in MOS.
-Trashed the work truck of a guy in a bar he had a slight argument with. Probably got the guy fired and ruined his life.

- Destroyed a multi million dollar piece of military equipment in front of the military and threatened them. "Dont spy on me or else!" Leaving all the tons of wreckage there for the military to clean up. And just flies off. Yeah the military and government should be totally fine with an alien that can kill anyone be roaming around free. When the same type of aliens leveled a city earlier.

- Not once during the city fight did Clark give a shit about any casualties or civilians.
When the fight was over, Clark decides to shove his tongue down Louise's throat all while ignoring the city background where there were thousands of dead and burning bodies screaming for help. During the kiss, the ashes of the dead civilians are falling down on them.

Forgetting a few more from MOS, and BVS, JL..... Like the montage of Supes saving people with a disgusted look on his face.

By the end of JL you feel he was the same Superman as MOS? Because to be fair at one point Thor was not even worthy either but changed.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
By the end of JL you feel he was the same Superman as MOS? Because to be fair at one point Thor was not even worthy either but changed.

Thor is worthy by being the son of Odin and Asgardian. He was still worthy of it when he was a spoiled brat. Odin had to take off the enchantment by force.
Outside of being the Son of Odin, you have to be worthy being a person similar to Cap, or to newborn Vision.
You cant compare Thor to Superman or anyone else because Thor is worthy by blood. Not by his morals and actions like Cap has to be to lift Mjolnir.
This is basically how it has gone down in the MCU.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Not him but...

- Constant passive aggressive behavior in MOS.
-Trashed the work truck of a guy in a bar he had a slight argument with. Probably got the guy fired and ruined his life.

- Destroyed a multi million dollar piece of military equipment in front of the military and threatened them. "Dont spy on me or else!" Leaving all the tons of wreckage there for the military to clean up. And just flies off. Yeah the military and government should be totally fine with an alien that can kill anyone be roaming around free. When the same type of aliens leveled a city earlier.

- Not once during the city fight did Clark give a shit about any casualties or civilians.
When the fight was over, Clark decides to shove his tongue down Louise's throat all while ignoring the city background where there were thousands of dead and burning bodies screaming for help. During the kiss, the ashes of the dead civilians are falling down on them.

Forgetting a few more from MOS, and BVS, JL..... Like the montage of Supes saving people with a disgusted look on his face.

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Exactly what I had in mind, just didn't feel like bothering.

Nice summary.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because it's never worked other then an either/or preposition.

You can move it. You can't move.

Cap moved it.

That doesn't explain why JL Superman would be worthy.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thor is worthy by being the son of Odin and Asgardian. He was still worthy of it when he was a spoiled brat. Odin had to take off the enchantment by force.
Outside of being the Son of Odin, you have to be worthy being a person similar to Cap, or to newborn Vision.
You cant compare Thor to Superman or anyone else because Thor is worthy by blood. Not by his morals and actions like Cap has to be to lift Mjolnir.
This is basically how it has gone down in the MCU.

Ok I can concede that point about Thor. That actually is something I didn't consider but does make sense.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That doesn't explain why JL Superman would be worthy.

Because he's Superman!

The paragon of virtue. The guy who you can count on to repel an alien invasion, and not leave your home, town, city, and state a smoking hole in the ground, as he makes out with a beautiful woman on a mountain of corpses.

Would Superman ever do those things, I ask you! 😠

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he's Superman!

The paragon of virtue. The guy who you can count on to repel an alien invasion, and not leave your home, town, city, and state a smoking hole in the ground, as he makes out with a beautiful woman on a mountain of corpses.

Would Superman ever do those things, I ask you! 😠

Joking aside, that does appear to be some people's argument.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Makes more sense than just nudging it honestly. So Cap is only 51% worthy and Iron man is 25% worthy? That's why he moved it? You are either worthy or youre not. Feige is on board with that as well.

But back to the topic I still think by the end of JL Superman would be able to wield it.

Iron Man never nudged it.

I dont think Feige confirmed that. If he did I concede the point. Just think its kind of silly.

Id argue he was worthy, but testing his worthiness as some kind of competition wasnt a worthy intention. Hence it nudged.

Or just that his heart wasnt really in it to move it.

Anything makes more sense than him realising and purposefully stopping as it moves a few millimetres.

We see Thors worried expression so him shouting I KNEW IT makes sense either way.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thor is worthy by being the son of Odin and Asgardian. He was still worthy of it when he was a spoiled brat. Odin had to take off the enchantment by force.
Outside of being the Son of Odin, you have to be worthy being a person similar to Cap, or to newborn Vision.
You cant compare Thor to Superman or anyone else because Thor is worthy by blood. Not by his morals and actions like Cap has to be to lift Mjolnir.
This is basically how it has gone down in the MCU.

Superman decides if he can't wield it nobody can and snaps the hammers neck.

/endthread

^ LOL

By the end of JL Supes can probably lift it. By the end of Endgame Tony could as well naughty

Superman is not worthy and it drives Superman fans nuts.

Why would Superman be any more worthy in any of the movies. His character changed like 0% in bvs and jl

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman is not worthy and it drives Superman fans nuts.

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What noble act did he commit in JL? He attacked his own friends and punched a guy in the face.

I doubt he even really saved that apartment building tbh, going by his track record, I'm surprised he didn't powerbomb it into a volcano.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What noble act did he commit in JL? He attacked his own friends and punched a guy in the face.

I doubt he even really saved that apartment building tbh, going by his track record, I'm surprised he didn't powerbomb it into a volcano.

Well he didnt slaughter the whole planet for starters, never once tried to score with Wonder Woman which probably is harder to do than beat Thanos and he also wasnt an internet bully like Thor. Not to mention he didn't make out with the love of his life niece.

Did you even watch the movie?