Originally posted by Putinbot1
I always wonder about Vernor Vinge and the Singularity tbh DDM. I just don't know if it will ever happen with a machine that is not biological.
AI intelligent enough to self improve at a tangible and meaningful level will be able to improve itself at a pace far faster than humans will be able to comprehend.
Scarily, we are very close to this happening, already. It is happening faster than predicted.
"Organics" are inferior and crude compared to the precision and speed of machines. It's going to suck majorly when we are replaced - we are terribly squishy meatbags who are terrible at processing information.
You say that DDM but, till a machine actually has independent thought, dreams and has non logical intuitive jumps, it's all just theory. Biology is squishy meatballs no doubt, that are made of a far more complex elemental subset than any computer, that is able to carry out a myriad of more varied and complex tasks than any machine. When a machine, can hit a great t shot down the fairway, become distracted by movement in the rough, lose his temper on the next shot, talk to his broker as he puts on the green and remember he has a Mars bar in his bag and taste all the different flavours present, at the same time wonder if his wife remembered to ring the plumber, you will make a believer of me.
Forget where I read it, some computer/tech article I'm sure. But it stated that when Moore's law hit's a wall and it should with given technology as transistors can only get so small (unless some new breakthrough happens), that a biological based computer modeled around the human brain will be the big next step.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there were dune prequels?
By Herbert's son and another author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_prequel_series#Legends_of_Dune
Originally posted by Putinbot1
You say that DDM but, till a machine actually has independent thought, dreams and has non logical intuitive jumps, it's all just theory. Biology is squishy meatballs no doubt, that are made of a far more complex elemental subset than any computer, that is able to carry out a myriad of more varied and complex tasks than any machine. When a machine, can hit a great t shot down the fairway, become distracted by movement in the rough, lose his temper on the next shot, talk to his broker as he puts on the green and remember he has a Mars bar in his bag and taste all the different flavours present, at the same time wonder if his wife remembered to ring the plumber, you will make a believer of me.
Here is a breakdown of the research into when experts think it will happen:
Also, there is still the possibility that it will happen with a miracle algorithm (likely not) similar to Google's search algorithm. IBM's Watson was created partially to prove that some Joe in his or her garage would not be able to create something like Watson with a fraction of the budget.
Originally posted by Robtard
Forget where I read it, some computer/tech article I'm sure. But it stated that when Moore's law hit's a wall and it should with given technology as transistors can only get so small (unless some new breakthrough happens), that a biological based computer modeled around the human brain will be the big next step.
Sounds like memristors and I wrote a white paper on that a few years back including outlining algorithms for propposed computing architecture that uses memristor lattices.
I stole the idea for architecture from Virtual Machines with how they create logical machines with a hardware abstraction layer - same thing with Memristors
It's not really like a biological brain, though. That's just pop-sci stuff people say to get clicks. Here's one such paper - but it is not like biological neural networks:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0893608014000227
Originally posted by dadudemonfact DDM different experts have different opinions as to when and how it will happen, ranging from never to very soon. This may shock you over a decade ago neurons were used from a rat as a binary computer. The thing is even then we knew that's not how a brain works. Interestingly recent studies show the chemical components of neurons and the brains architecture itself work together. Of course the code in protein synthesis and the activity inside a single cell are far more beautiful and insane when visualized than any system based purely on quantum dots and silicon.
Sounds like memristors and I wrote a white paper on that a few years back including outlining algorithms for propposed computing architecture that uses memristor lattices.I stole the idea for architecture from Virtual Machines with how they create logical machines with a hardware abstraction layer - same thing with Memristors
It's not really like a biological brain, though. That's just pop-sci stuff people say to get clicks. Here's one such paper - but it is not like biological neural networks:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0893608014000227
@ddm IIRC, it wasn't so much as a super-brain grown in a vat used as a computer. More-so that technology would be molded around the brain/how it works. But there was some biological aspect of sorts.
When I read the article, I thought of Data's positronic brain, even though Star Trek borrowed that idea from Asimov.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
fact DDM different experts have different opinions as to when and how it will happen, ranging from never to very soon. This may shock you over a decade ago neurons were used from a rat as a binary computer. The thing is even then we knew that's not how a brain works. Interestingly recent studies show the chemical components of neurons and the brains architecture itself work together. Of course the code in protein synthesis and the activity inside a single cell are far more beautiful and insane when visualized than any system based purely on quantum dots and silicon.
Yup, 21% believe the singularity will never happen.