Originally posted by Robtard
The gripe is you trying to create drama in a drama-free thread. Anyhow, as yesterday, I'll leave you to that.
No rule against that, nor is there some rule that says certain kinds of thread derailments are okay while others are not.
Talk of Dune, AI, etc. was all thread derailment.
Originally posted by Robtard
As somehow who I'm assuming believes in the soul. How do you work that in with computers becoming sentient?More of a philosophic talk here.
You're asking the wrong theist.
Remember, I'm Mormon. And we believe that all of us can become gods one day with enough righteousness.
Also, Mormons believe in free-agency at maximums levels. So if we preach the Word to a sapient AI and it wants to be baptized, it probably has a soul.
Also, we believe the soul is metaphysical.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well if we all become gods none of us are gods.Being a god would be lame as hell if everyone else was too.
Which is why godhood is not for you: you're too immature. You still think like a toddler. "If I can't have ice cream, no one gets icre cream! Two scoops for me! One for everyone else!"
Being a benevolent creator god of your own universe hardly matters compared to other gods doing the same.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Which is why godhood is not for you: you're too immature. You still think like a toddler. "If I can't have ice cream, no one gets icre cream! Two scoops for me! One for everyone else!"Being a benevolent creator god of your own universe hardly matters compared to other gods doing the same.
Time to un-rustle those jimmies, I was imagining a scenario where we're all in the same universe 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're asking the wrong theist.Remember, I'm Mormon. And we believe that all of us can become gods one day with enough righteousness.
Also, Mormons believe in free-agency at maximums levels. So if we preach the Word to a sapient AI and it wants to be baptized, it probably has a soul.
Also, we believe the soul is metaphysical.
I wanted the Mormon POV on this, why I asked you. To bad Shaky is no longer with us. Could get a conservative Buddhist POV on the machine-with-a-soul question.
I had an image of Mormons baptizing a willing Skynet.
No DDM, I definately mean self aware.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2016/01/07/when-self-aware-computers-sense-human-life/
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The expression “Skynet has become self-aware†is still science fiction, for now : Olea Sensor Networks
The term you will hear used increasingly is Life Presence Detection (LPD), the expression “Skynet has become self-aware†is still science fiction, for now — Image Credit: Olea Sensor Networks
Science fiction is fond of talking about the point at which computers might become what we call ‘self-aware’. This is the precipice beyond which machines start to use their Artificial Intelligence (AI) capabilities to understand they do in fact exist as ‘things’ in and of themselves.
This state of being has been called the point of self-awareness, the point of Artificial Consciousness (AC) or Machine Consciousness (MC) and even Synthetic Consciousness (SC). As already reported here on Forbes, professor Stephen Hawking has his own term for the point at which computers begin evolving themselves at super-human speeds — he calls it ‘the singularity’.
The notion here is that although computers will only ever initially know what the software application developers who have built them have allowed them to know… the machines have used the AI capabilities they have been empowered with to extend their own remits for existence.
Could we program against this? Theoretically yes. Could the computers out-evolve our own software programming controls and make the leap unto the unknown? Again, theoretically yes.
What is self-awareness?
According to cognitive, perceptual and brain sciences specialist Rich Cook, “We are obviously self-aware, we know that we exist and are aware of our surroundings and what is happening around us. Does a computer? The answer again has to be no. As we have already described, computers do not ‘know’ anything, so they obviously cannot know that they exist, they cannot posses self-awareness. So what would it take to make a computer self-aware? Some would argue that it is simply a matter of complexity, that when computers reach a certain level of complexity they will become self-aware. If it is simply a matter of complexity, after all the human brain is nothing more than a very complex processor that uses electrochemical reactions rather than just electrical, then the day will surely come.â€
But is that all it is?
I've also heard the argument that simulcrum consciousness is true consciousness. Like the majority of people, I dispute this
Originally posted by Surtur
And you reported the thread for discussions about Dune and shit too, correct?Cuz I gotta inform you: this thread wasn't about Dune either.
Be consistent.
Dune was something relative related to the overall topic of advances in the human race, biology and beyond. AI is potentially the biggest leap in that evolution, AI could potentially lead to extreme advances in humanity based off a intelligence far beyond the human race. Those are not de railing the topic, picking fights with posters for no other reason to do so is. Cut the crap, I won’t post in this forum anymore regarding anything political and I’m not going to have my threads undone because of your vendettas against other posters in my threads. You have plenty of other means to do that in any other thread of your choosing.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
No DDM, I definately mean self aware.https://www.forbes.com/sites/adrianbridgwater/2016/01/07/when-self-aware-computers-sense-human-life/
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The expression “Skynet has become self-aware†is still science fiction, for now : Olea Sensor Networks
The term you will hear used increasingly is Life Presence Detection (LPD), the expression “Skynet has become self-aware†is still science fiction, for now — Image Credit: Olea Sensor Networks
Science fiction is fond of talking about the point at which computers might become what we call ‘self-aware’. This is the precipice beyond which machines start to use their Artificial Intelligence (AI) capabilities to understand they do in fact exist as ‘things’ in and of themselves.This state of being has been called the point of self-awareness, the point of Artificial Consciousness (AC) or Machine Consciousness (MC) and even Synthetic Consciousness (SC). As already reported here on Forbes, professor Stephen Hawking has his own term for the point at which computers begin evolving themselves at super-human speeds — he calls it ‘the singularity’.
The notion here is that although computers will only ever initially know what the software application developers who have built them have allowed them to know… the machines have used the AI capabilities they have been empowered with to extend their own remits for existence.
No you don't, you mean sapience. Specifically, you mean AGI. If you meant self-aware, we accomplished this over 10 years ago. I highly doubt this is what you mean.
Originally posted by dadudemonwe're going to disagree on this DDM because what you call self aware, I call simulcrum self awareness and it really relies on how you see self awareness as the above article explains. You're clearly a believer programmed self awareness is the same as a human understanding its place in the Universe (well that's also subjective for many too, but you know what I mean. A lot of people as in the above article disagree a machine can do this in any way, as do I.
No you don't, you mean sapience. Specifically, you mean AGI. If you meant self-aware, we accomplished this over 10 years ago. I highly doubt this is what you mean.