Age Reversal Trial successful

I think about murder. I don't think a murderer should ever be allowed to gain their freedom. Well, I think they should be executed, but if not...life in prison. And if we perfect this, a murderer isn't just robbing someone of a few decades of life they are robbing them of potentially thousands of years.

So would we keep a murderer in prison literally forever?

I am reminded of the twilight zone ep where the guy becomes immortal. Then he murders someone cuz he is eager to experience the electric chair, but he gets life in prison instead. Then he gives up his immortality cuz he doesn't wanna be in prison forever.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
we're going to disagree on this DDM because what you call self aware, I call simulcrum self awareness and it really relies on how you see self awareness as the above article explains. You're clearly a believer programmed self awareness is the same as a human understanding its place in the Universe (well that's also subjective for many too, but you know what I mean. A lot of people as in the above article disagree a machine can do this in any way, as do I.

Sounds like you want it to mean "wise, like a human" instead of what it actually is.

You want AGI or human-like sapience.

Originally posted by Surtur
Let us say we perfect this, would society truly be benefited if nobody could die from old age?

That is really the ultimate goal to live forever young. I would love to see if its possible to live past 120 years. What is one day 120 years was like 50 years olf today and then you still had 80 more years. Life is so short now, doubling lifespan is a huge idea.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
picking fights with posters for no other reason to do so is. Cut the crap, I won’t post in this forum anymore regarding anything political and I’m not going to have my threads undone because of your vendettas against other posters in my threads. You have plenty of other means to do that in any other thread of your choosing.

this, from YOU? you're just going to eventually become unhinged and revert to targeting/fixating/slandering/stalking/threatening people, so i don't get why you're preaching to surt...unless this is some quasi-machiavellian 4d chess move.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
this, from YOU? you're just going to eventually become unhinged and revert to targeting/fixating/slandering/stalking/threatening people, so i don't get why you're preaching to surt...unless this is some quasi-machiavellian 4d chess move.

Dude let it go, what you described is the *same* thing Putinbot does, every few months he pretends like he's done trolling and is above it all and he always reverts back. Always. This is a road you do not want to go down.

Let it go.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
That is really the ultimate goal to live forever young. I would love to see if its possible to live past 120 years. What is one day 120 years was like 50 years olf today and then you still had 80 more years. Life is so short now, doubling lifespan is a huge idea.

Yeah, but if we're forever young we'd eventually run into population problems. Sure it would take a long long time, but it would happen. The only question is if we could achieve the ability to go and live on other planets before it does.

Originally posted by Surtur
Dude let it go, what you described is the *same* thing Putinbot does, every few months he pretends like he's done trolling and is above it all and he always reverts back. Always. This is a road you do not want to go down.

Let it go.

Anyway Broly is a good guy and is just making a good choice staying out of arguments. I've done the same myself, you are quite right there.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sounds like you want it to mean "wise, like a human" instead of what it actually is.

You want AGI or human-like sapience.

Originally posted by Surtur
Let us say we perfect this, would society truly be benefited if nobody could die from old age?

Man plans, God laughs.

Originally posted by Mindship
I suspect a whole new host of problems will emerge just trying to perfect it. Life excels at, betcha didn't see that coming.

Man plans, God laughs.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
an interesting problem.put to a personal hero of mine craig ventner in a discussion at Harvard was "Why hasn't knowing the genome led to curing more diseases?" The answer is the level of redundancy in DNA meaning more than one set of Gene's can lead to the same disorder. I wonder if extending histones is a full or partial reset of the degradation of transcription which leads to many disorders?

Science can achieve some wonderful, incredible things. Hell, as a scifi writer, I love imagining what we might one day achieve or discover. But life/nature/reality is vast beyond logic and perception. I guess this is why we have incompleteness theorems, uncertainty principles, and (if one is so inclined) limits even to spiritual transcendence.

Originally posted by Mindship
I suspect a whole new host of problems will emerge just trying to perfect it. Life excels at, betcha didn't see that coming.

Man plans, God laughs.

Just as happens in the drug industry.

Unforeseen problems are pretty much guaranteed in something this complex. Who could they even get to sign on for clinical trials..? With my experiences with unforeseen drug interactions (Being unable to sleep for nearly two weeks was the worst moments of my life), I'd be too afraid to be a human Guinea pig.

Originally posted by Mindship
I suspect a whole new host of problems will emerge just trying to perfect it. Life excels at, betcha didn't see that coming.

Man plans, God laughs.

Yeah we'll probably accidentally create some zombies along the way.

#WorthIt

Originally posted by cdtm
Unforeseen problems are pretty much guaranteed in something this complex. Who could they even get to sign on for clinical trials..? With my experiences with unforeseen drug interactions (Being unable to sleep for nearly two weeks was the worst moments of my life), I'd be too afraid to be a human Guinea pig.

How old are you? I'd guess one of the reasons you'd be afraid is because you really aren't in need of any age reversal right now. On the other hand I could easily see people in their 60s,70s, and 80s choosing to do a clinical trial with this.

And you've done a clinical trial before and it caused you not to sleep for nearly 2 weeks? I actually experienced something like that myself, but it wasn't at a clinical trial it was a side effect of medications after a surgery.

Originally posted by cdtm
Just as happens in the drug industry.

Unforeseen problems are pretty much guaranteed in something this complex.

And here's perhaps the most insidious thing: Human beings fear death. Immortality is the ultimate remedy. It is absolute power, and such power corrupts absolutely.

Perhaps we should be careful what we wish for.

They better figure out a way to do this with animals too. I want my forever puppy god dammit.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I just don't see a simulcrum.as anything but mimicry in the way a parrot mimics speech.

Parrots understand speech, though:

http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatbirdblog/2011/06/10/do-parrots-understand-what-they-say-yes-according-to-a-new-study/#.XXnSG-hKiUk

And some of the AI tools we've created understand speech far better than parrots. So much so that they are better than many functioning adults (because they have massive databases from which to pull information and make cross-references and inferences).

The issue is your bias for meatbags and bias against AI/machines. We are just machines running genetic code. Perhaps there's a dash of soul in our fleshy machines that truly differentiates us but that line is getting blurrier and blurrier as the understand the material world around.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Parrots understand speech, though:

http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatbirdblog/2011/06/10/do-parrots-understand-what-they-say-yes-according-to-a-new-study/#.XXnSG-hKiUk

And some of the AI tools we've created understand speech far better than parrots. So much so that they are better than many functioning adults (because they have massive databases from which to pull information and make cross-references and inferences).

The issue is your bias for meatbags and bias against AI/machines. We are just machines running genetic code. Perhaps there's a dash of soul in our fleshy machines that truly differentiates us but that line is getting blurrier and blurrier as the understand the material world around.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
DDM please, I'm sure Parrot owners believe their animal understands them.

You're not supposed to make your trolling this obvious.