Cheetah vs Thor

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Thor Faces Beings Allegedly faster then Cheetah Regularly(Gladiator,SS etc)..he has Godly Perception...saying she "Speedbliz" him is like saying she does it to Odin or Zeus...Not Happening..Thor is Part Elder God also...When are ppl gonna stop putting him in these Tiers..smh..Stop Judging him off Battles on Earth where he Holding back..Dude fights Destroyer, Mangog,Loki,Surtur,Glory..etc.

I'm sure you wouldn't do a "Cheetah vs Surtur match"

You may say this Jane..but its STILL THORS powers...If Batman Gets Flash powers and Goes 10x the Speed of Light,Pretty safe to Say Flash can do the same..but Only the Non logical would dispute that

AND its a Combat speed feat vs Someone well beyond Cheetah Tier.

Don't get me wrong because I understand that there's a logical argument that can be made to support him still being her physical equal, I'm just saying that it's not a stance that's going to be worth arguing. It won't be like transferring feats from a low level GL to Hal, it'd be like transferring feats from Kyle to Hal when Kyle has his own strengths over Hal. The best you'll get is "Maybe, but he needs to at least do something close" in both cases. Masterson would be no problem and you MIGHT be able to convince someone to give Thor access to some of BRB's stuff, but with Jane there are too many precedents against that kind of thing in regards to transferring feats.

There would be no reason why Jane's physical feats aren't transferrable to Thor. The enchantment on Mjolnir transformed her into Thor, she didn't get her powers from the MS, I think you're misunderstanding their relationship. The magic on Mjolnir is like a magic cloning technique IIRC.

The Mother Storm "awakened" which is why Mjolnir was doing all the crazy flying, but that's an entirely separate beast.

Side note: BRB, and all other Thor clones, get transformed and are given the powers of Thor, because a piece of Thor's "godly essence" was taken by Odin to grant them separate enchantments. Hence the "Blood and Thunder" arc.

Side side note: Thor channelled the MS to resurrect Jane. She only summoned it like a genie.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There would be no reason why Jane's physical feats aren't transferrable to Thor. The enchantment on Mjolnir transformed her into Thor, she didn't get her powers from the MS, I think you're misunderstanding their relationship. The magic on Mjolnir is like a magic cloning technique IIRC.

The Mother Storm "awakened" which is why Mjolnir was doing all the crazy flying, but that's an entirely separate beast.

Side note: BRB, and all other Thor clones, get transformed and are given the powers of Thor, because a piece of Thor's "godly essence" was taken by Odin to grant them separate enchantments. Hence the "Blood and Thunder" arc.

Side side note: Thor channelled the MS to resurrect Jane. She only summoned it like a genie.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
RIP Classic Marvel.

Don’t bother with H1. I could fill an entire page with Asgardian perception feats and it wouldn’t matter.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There would be no reason why Jane's physical feats aren't transferrable to Thor. The enchantment on Mjolnir transformed her into Thor, she didn't get her powers from the MS, I think you're misunderstanding their relationship. The magic on Mjolnir is like a magic cloning technique IIRC.

The Mother Storm "awakened" which is why Mjolnir was doing all the crazy flying, but that's an entirely separate beast.

Side note: BRB, and all other Thor clones, get transformed and are given the powers of Thor, because a piece of Thor's "godly essence" was taken by Odin to grant them separate enchantments. Hence the "Blood and Thunder" arc.

Side side note: Thor channelled the MS to resurrect Jane. She only summoned it like a genie.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Lol, like a magic cloning technique...

Join us next thread, where Stilt argues that X-23 gets Logan's feats!

Yeah, this is like deja vu.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I pointed out that if you take Superman's speed feats at face value, Thor wouldn't be able to land a punch if Clark was not limited by his character and other factors, including comic book logic.

Do you disagree with that stance? If so, why? Perhaps you know of some Thor speed feats that I'm unaware of. Even if we go to the extreme and assume Thor can throw punches at the speed of light, Clark still has superior body movement overall.

This isn't me abandoning the character. What a ridiculous thing to say. Thor still beats Superman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

If an opponent is noticeably slower than Superman and has no applicable methods of striking him or countering his speed.....they, wait for it, cannot handle Superman's speed.

And yes, if you take his speed feats at face value, Thor would not be able to land a punch on Superman.

Where is this rage!!!!!!

Yeah but that was 2011.
In the past 8 years, Odinson has been getting TONS of speed feats.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Uh yeah DS... debating comics is subjective... it's ALWAYS subjective. No one(mod or member) will ever be able to create some kind of mathematical formula in regards to how things work because the medium we're discussing is as inconsistent of a medium as one could ever find. The subjectivity is what makes the debates fun, this place would be a graveyard if a Thor vs Hulk thread got boiled down to numbers so plain that everyone who posted basically just agreed to read off the final sum of the equation.

I can't speak for where others draw the line when it comes to interpreting how the forum rules should be applied in individual debates, but personally I try to let logic and common sense be my guide because when I first joined and Digi was a mod that's basically how such things were determined by him and I've always liked that precept. Obviously, that kind of thing has a huge potential for variance from person to person but I prefer the idea of making that attempt than I do making an attempt at getting the mods to draw up some kind of ultra detailed debate formula so clear that no one ever disagrees on how to interpret the rules lol

Then this is essentially handbook debating.

'Batman is a human. Therefore I call any superhuman feats of his, PIS, and question them more than an Asgardian. Because gods.'

'Also, in the same breath, I will acknowledge comics show illogical things occurring, like Captain Cold, and Slow characters tagging faster, because comics'.

You're twisting on yourself here.

Either we acknowledge the illogical (Cold, slower characters tagging faster, Thor has speed, Batman is Low Herald) or we just flip to a handbook and debate off their stats, ignoring showings. By this, Asgardians are only given feats that are 3x humans.

If the former, fine. They happened in comics, as celey is fond of saying.

By that, Batman is herald level.

@DS
Do u agree, Thor has limb speed that can never be achieved by streets? And im talking far beyond here.

Which streets?

And what's the cap? Cage has strength feats way beyond 'streets', doesn't mean he's stepping up to Thor.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@DS
Do u agree, Thor has limb speed that can never be achieved by streets? And im talking far beyond here.

Celey: Superspeed.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wolverine - super str
Superman - Mjolnir
Hulk - flight
Thor - super speed without Mjolnir
Spiderman - flight
Batman - super str
Wonder Woman - penis too

mmm

Never knew Thor got Superspeed by mjolnir.

Well yeah.

See, Mjolnir gives Thor the power of Thor. This Thor power is Thor's power, which is Thor's speed.

WiThorout Mjolnir, Thor is Thor, but WiThorout Thor's Thor speed.

Thor Thor Thor Thor

Lets take Cap for example since his baseline is "beyond" human.
Can Cap achieve quantifiable speed with his limbs that are remotely close to what Thor can do?
Im not talking about ure run o the mill bullet timing or laser dodging.

Why not? Can Thor outrun a bullet?

Originally posted by darthgoober
If you wanted to use virtually any Thor clone but Jane that way I might not say anything, but when it comes to Jane I have to disagree. Yes, she "Has Thor's powers", but the way that arc was written she got those powers from the Motherstorm... who liked her more than she liked Thor. Thor himself noted that his hammer was doing stuff for Jane that it never did for him, and that throws a fair amount of shade on the situation.

Don't get me wrong because I understand that there's a logical argument that can be made to support him still being her physical equal, I'm just saying that it's not a stance that's going to be worth arguing. It won't be like transferring feats from a low level GL to Hal, it'd be like transferring feats from Kyle to Hal when Kyle has his own strengths over Hal. The best you'll get is "Maybe, but he needs to at least do something close" in both cases. Masterson would be no problem and you MIGHT be able to convince someone to give Thor access to some of BRB's stuff, but with Jane there are too many precedents against that kind of thing in regards to transferring feats.

All Wrong...The only difference is The Hammer sentinent part started to reveal itself more due to Storyline...They BOTH have Feats the Other havent shown to do...Jane displaying SPEED fighting Odin is THOR POWER...Her Lifting a Island made of Gold..THOR POWER...now Her Creating a Huge Storm thats bigger then any Thor had Shown is Debatable since He IS A GOD by Heritage and Has shown to summon the "Winds of a Thousand worlds and The Heat of a Thousand Suns

You seem to be INTERTWINNING Jane and Mjolner Simutaneously when Thats FALSE...

Only ONE TRUTH is For Certain..:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then this is essentially handbook debating.

'Batman is a human. Therefore I call any superhuman feats of his, PIS, and question them more than an Asgardian. Because gods.'

'Also, in the same breath, I will acknowledge comics show illogical things occurring, like Captain Cold, and Slow characters tagging faster, because comics'.

You're twisting on yourself here.

Either we acknowledge the illogical (Cold, slower characters tagging faster, Thor has speed, Batman is Low Herald) or we just flip to a handbook and debate off their stats, ignoring showings. By this, Asgardians are only given feats that are 3x humans.

If the former, fine. They happened in comics, as celey is fond of saying.

By that, Batman is herald level.

I never said that any super human feats done by Batman are PIS. Hell way back when I was one of(if not THE) only person to flat out say that Batman should beat Spidey in a forum fight. But that's only because of the sheer volume of feats to his credit. Cap is the same way. So is Karate Kid. We don't assume every human who takes a hit on panel from someone who can bench 50 tons actually has superhuman durability, they have to do that kind of thing A LOT before we accept such illogical things. On the other hand, we generally accept instances of guys like nameless Kryptonians and Asgardians doing it even without a bunch of supporting instances. As I said before, it's an inconsistent medium. There's no exact mathematical formula that will allow us to figure out the winners in any/every forum fight. And since such is the case, there's a lot more options than "Accept everything" and "Nothing matters" like you say.

The irony here, is that when you get right down to it... I agree about the importance of consistency. I would 100% support the mods making EITHER of your blanket declarations the official forum policy, but unfortunately for both of us they're never going to support either of those stances. The rules as they are written are highly subjective, the mods want it because they're idealists who think that most people will up and choose to be reasonable even when their favorite or least favorite hero being discussed. We(as members) just have to muddle through all the subjectivity and come up with what makes the most sense as individuals. To me personally, it makes sense to view the superhuman feats of superhuman races like Asgardians and Kryptonians with less skepticism than I use in regards to someone who's technically human. And what's more, you do the exact same thing... just not when it comes to the speed feats of Asgardians for whatever reason.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
All Wrong...The only difference is The Hammer sentinent part started to reveal itself more due to Storyline...They BOTH have Feats the Other havent shown to do...Jane displaying SPEED fighting Odin is THOR POWER...Her Lifting a Island made of Gold..THOR POWER...now Her Creating a Huge Storm thats bigger then any Thor had Shown is Debatable since He IS A GOD by Heritage and Has shown to summon the "Winds of a Thousand worlds and The Heat of a Thousand Suns

You seem to be INTERTWINNING Jane and Mjolner Simutaneously when Thats FALSE...

Only ONE TRUTH is For Certain..:

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I'm not saying that there is no logical case to be made to support your stance. All I'm saying is that your stance is a losing one on this forum because of the policies against feat sharing on KMC.

Not a fan of feat sharing.
It may be Thor's power, but it was Jane utilizing his power.

Other than the flamboyant Mjolnir throws and releasing the galaxy sized storm, she really hasn't done anything that really eclipses his long history of feats. Even with her signature zippy throws, there are dozens of scans that show Odinson basically doing the same thing. Was never really sure why they highlighted it so much with her.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Not a fan of feat sharing.
It may be Thor's power, but it was Jane utilizing his power.

Other than the flamboyant Mjolnir throws and releasing the galaxy sized storm, she really hasn't done anything that really eclipses his long history of feats. Even with her signature zippy throws, there are dozens of scans that show Odinson basically doing the same thing. Was never really sure why they highlighted it so much with her.

mind posting some examples?