darthgoober
Senior Member
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait.First para: Gods are different. Judge them differently.
Third para: Judge all characters equally.
OK...but putting that aside:
Yeah, if the ones who CAN'T match his high end feats tag him, sure, it COULD be PIS, assuming no one was holding back (Surfer can hold back etc).
That is where we asked for a small proportion of his feats, to see what they're like. Having been around for nearly 60 years, with thousands of showings, one would assume he'd have the showings, right? And yeah, handbooks (though not generally admissible) can also be supporting, if needed.
How would YOU (you always nitpick with very little to offer) quantify if a character has superspeed, and if so, the degree to which they do?
Different races have variances in base stats, that's not my standard that's just common sense. A Kryptonian who hasn't been named outrunning a lightning bolt is far different than a human outrunning a lightning bolt. We don't assume that a Kryptonian needs to outrace a bullet anywhere near as many times as someone like the Punisher would have to to prove that he/she could do it.
Right, but since his high end speedster type feats includes things like digging a large trench around a large group of people that included Quicksilver(who was already in motion) before he could react I don't see too many street level guys matching his high ends. Especially if we omit things like tagging speedsters as proof like you seem to want to do.
Well any/every "super" attribute is obviously subjective to an extreme. I tend to view such things through a lens resembling what the forum considers to be tiers rather than try to nail down any kind of exact number because we all know that specifics change writer to writer and day to day.
Do I think that Thor would be able to go head to head with any kind of real speedster in a race, no. Do I think he'll be able to land anywhere close to as many hits against Flash during a fight between the two, no. But I also don't think that he'd be totally unable to tag them if he's on his game. I know the way super speed is handled weird in comics, but that's the way it's handled. It makes literally NO sense whatsoever for a character to be able to produce cold that goes below absolute zero, but we credit Captain Cold with the tech to do so. It makes no logical sense to destroy an infinite number of universes one at a time until there's only 5 left, but we don't say such a feat is impossible for the Anti Monitor. By the same token, it makes no logical sense for someone to tag another character with a much higher degree of speed, but it's an ability comics have granted to a significant number of characters. The way I resolve such things in my mind(this is just my method, I'm not trying to push it on anyone else), is to think of it as a difference between mental speed and muscle speed. Thor doesn't have the mental speed to throw or dodge as many punches as a good speedster, but he's still got the raw muscle speed to attack REALLY fast. For instance(and this is just an example), lets say Quicksilver can throw 100 punches in a second while Thor can only throw one punch in a second. But even though he doesn't have the mental speed to throw as many punches as Quicksilver in that second, his Godly muscles might still throw his single punch at the same speed as any one of Quicksilver's punches. In such a scenario Thor might be screwed if Quicksilver never let up, but if he dialed it back for even a moment Thor might have a chance to land an attack. Again, totally made up scenario and example to enplane how I judge such things just to try to answer your question, I wasn't making any genuine claims in regards to Quicksilver and/or Thor.