General Grievous vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If the movie states he does then he does. I assume you haven't watched the CW series.

When I noted on page 3 that Wonder Woman: "is a Amazonian warrior-goddess raised in a combat-orientated society and trained with sword, spear and shield. She's also around 5,000 years old; that's a lot of training, Josh."

You said: "Statements are useless without feats to back them up."

But now statements work as usable feats for Grevious. You really are a dishonest debater, Josh.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If the movie states he does then he does. I assume you haven't watched the CW series.

That's why no one argues with you 😆

I have watched the CW series, but I can't claim perfect memory of every episode. Can you describe the scene in which this is said? Or link to it?

Originally posted by Robtard
When I noted on page 3 that Wonder Woman: "is a Amazonian warrior-goddess raised in a combat-orientated society and trained with sword, spear and shield. She's also around 5,000 years old; that's a lot of training, Josh."

You said: "Statements are useless without feats to back them up."

But now statements work as usable feats for Grevious. [b]You really are a dishonest debater, Josh. [/B]

Bingo and he’s a disgraceful liar.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay but statements need to be supported by feats. Is there an actual feat of him striking someone 20 times in a second or does a book merely claim he's capable of it? He certainly doesn't perform such a feat during any film or tv show.

And if it's referencing his Obi Wan fight it is a pretty blatant exaggeration of what goes down.

The novelization merely describes what happens on screen in the movie.

Keep in mind that it's been stated that the fights in the movies are "slowed down" so that the audience can actually view the fights.

In the reality of the Star Wars universe the most powerful Jedi, Sith and Grevious can all move at speeds invisible to the naked eye.

"The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan - but he didn't have to."

"Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack."

- Revenge of the sith novel Novelization

It's basically just describing what's onscreen.

Grevious having cybernetic-reflexes was a major plot-point - and the specific reason for Kenobi going to Utapau in the first place.

- If Grevious couldn't strike at 20 times per second - they would have sent some mook-Jedi, instead.

Kenobi was there specifically because of that speed.

Originally posted by Robtard
When I noted on page 3 that Wonder Woman: "is a Amazonian warrior-goddess raised in a combat-orientated society and trained with sword, spear and shield. She's also around 5,000 years old; that's a lot of training, Josh."

You said: "Statements are useless without feats to back them up."

But now statements work as usable feats for Grevious. [b]You really are a dishonest debater, Josh. [/B]

Except we actually have a glimpse at Grievous rotating his sabers really fast, which actually gives credit to the statement.

And I said that being 50,000 years old plays no backup to she being an amazing saber duelist.

Try again.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
The novelization merely describes what happens on screen in the movie.

Keep in mind that it's been stated that the fights in the movies are "slowed down" so that the audience can actually view the fights.

In the reality of the Star Wars universe the most powerful Jedi, Sith and Grevious can all move at speeds invisible to the naked eye.

[B]"The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan - but he didn't have to."

"Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack."

- Revenge of the sith novel Novelization

It's basically just describing what's onscreen.

Grevious having cybernetic-reflexes was a major plot-point - and the specific reason for Kenobi going to Utapau in the first place.

- If Grevious couldn't strike at 20 times per second - they would have sent some mook-Jedi, instead.

Kenobi was there specifically because of that speed. [/B]

👆

Originally posted by Surtur
I have watched the CW series, but I can't claim perfect memory of every episode. Can you describe the scene in which this is said? Or link to it?

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The youtuber above is a very knowledgable on SW and fanfics as a whole.

He makes a good portrayal of Grievous.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
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The youtuber above is a very knowledgable on SW and fanfics as a whole.

He makes a good portrayal of Grievous.

This was really good. 👆

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
The novelization merely describes what happens on screen in the movie.

Keep in mind that it's been stated that the fights in the movies are "slowed down" so that the audience can actually view the fights.

In the reality of the Star Wars universe the most powerful Jedi, Sith and Grevious can all move at speeds invisible to the naked eye.

[B]"The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan - but he didn't have to."

"Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack."

- Revenge of the sith novel Novelization

It's basically just describing what's onscreen.

Grevious having cybernetic-reflexes was a major plot-point - and the specific reason for Kenobi going to Utapau in the first place.

- If Grevious couldn't strike at 20 times per second - they would have sent some mook-Jedi, instead.

Kenobi was there specifically because of that speed. [/B]

1) on screen feats only, no novels
2) we use visual speed unless there is strong evidence otherwise (like bullets, etc).

So again, by what we see Grevious would be a statue to WW.

Originally posted by h1a8
1) on screen feats only, no novels
2) we use visual speed unless there is strong evidence otherwise (like bullets, etc).

So again, by what we see Grevious would be a statue to WW.

The novel merely describes what is happening onscreen.

There is no discrepancy, and thusly no reason for it to be discounted.

Visual speed also cannot be relied upon for Star Wars, since the fights in Star Wars are slowed down purposely for the the audience's benefit.

You cant change the MvF rules because you feel like it.

Originally posted by KingD19
You cant change the MvF rules because you feel like it.

*Sticks a pacifier in his mouth* 🙂

Originally posted by KingD19
You cant change the MvF rules because you feel like it.

Impediment has never ruled against canon movie material, nor should he.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
The novelization merely describes what happens on screen in the movie.

Keep in mind that it's been stated that the fights in the movies are "slowed down" so that the audience can actually view the fights.

In the reality of the Star Wars universe the most powerful Jedi, Sith and Grevious can all move at speeds invisible to the naked eye.

[B]"The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan - but he didn't have to."

"Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense. So Obi-Wan used his defense to attack."

- Revenge of the sith novel Novelization

It's basically just describing what's onscreen.

Grevious having cybernetic-reflexes was a major plot-point - and the specific reason for Kenobi going to Utapau in the first place.

- If Grevious couldn't strike at 20 times per second - they would have sent some mook-Jedi, instead.

Kenobi was there specifically because of that speed. [/B]

lol wut, this is absurd.

Originally posted by Surtur
lol wut, this is absurd.

Which part, specifically? 🙂

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
The novel merely describes what is happening onscreen.

There is no discrepancy, and thusly no reason for it to be discounted.

Visual speed also cannot be relied upon for Star Wars, since the fights in Star Wars are slowed down purposely for the the audience's benefit.

Wrong! Novels can't be used as evidence here. Only on screen feats per mod ruling.

And you are wrong, plain humans have fought equally (reacted to their attacks, Etc) to Jedi onscreen.
There is no indication anywhere that Jedi are always fighting faster than what we see.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Impediment has never ruled against canon movie material, nor should he.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong!

Originally posted by h1a8

Novels can't be used as evidence here. Only on screen feats per mod ruling.

The novelization is based off of what's onscreen - and Kenobi was sent to hunt Grevious down specifically due to the speed mentioned in the novelization.

The novelization merely mirrors what is onscreen and adds plot-context - nothing more.

(I hope you're not going to pretend Grevious was actually slow/normal speed in the movie - 'cause it's pretty fvcking obvious he wasn't.)

Originally posted by h1a8

And you are wrong, plain humans have fought equally (reacted to their attacks, Etc) to Jedi onscreen.
There is no indication anywhere that Jedi are always fighting faster than what we see.

So just because the books reveal that the fights move faster than the naked eye, that means they don't in the movies?

Logic fail.

Lucasfilm sanctioned those novels - Lucasfilm revealed in the novels that Jedi and Sith do move many times faster than the naked eye.

Who are you to say otherwise?

If your name isn't George Lucas then you're wrong - move along.

Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong! Novels can't be used as evidence here. Only on screen feats per mod ruling.

And you are wrong, plain humans have fought equally (reacted to their attacks, Etc) to Jedi onscreen.
There is no indication anywhere that Jedi are always fighting faster than what we see.

IMP ruled onscreen feats ONLY a while ago.

Imp hasn't ruled against movie canon material. This is the MVF and anything pertaining to the movie should be valid.

So, stop trying to use the rules to handicap Grievous to your favour.

Two idiots here saying a old robot can beat wonder woman.

Her gauntlets alone are enough to kill him.

this thread is poop...

time to eat some...