Originally posted by cdtm
Only if you believe patriotism is restricted to the right.
The only differnece is the former is defending an instutition, while the latter is vested in the interest of the people the instiution was formed to serve.
Originally posted by Robtard
According to google, Kaepernick has donated over a million to charities and to raise awareness and continues to do so.Good for you, Colin. Putting your money where your mouth is unlike Trump, who promised to donate 1million to a charity of E. Warren's choice if she took a DNA test. She did; then Trump backed out by claiming he never said he would, like a true coward.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Surt takes another l. Some things never change.
^This is what happens when your cheer lead instead of reading the thread. I took no L. My comments mentioned Colin, but were not directed just at him they were about all the kneeling players. My specific comments about Colin noted that he signed with Nike and noted a donation he made to an org that supports someone who was involved with the killing of a cop.
My comment about what they should do wasn't even about how they need to give to charities, I asked what they'd done besides throw cash at things(and was then told I was "moving the goalposts", by bringing that up again in response to a post noting Colin threw cash at things, despite having already made this point).
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know, maybe instead of just throwing cash at something they could participate in programs meant to help the police connect with those in the neighborhoods they patrol. I know these already exist, why not lend their celebrity to it?How many of them have sat down and hat an actual conversation with a police officer? Especially one who works a tough neighborhood? Maybe start there.
Or just whine on tv. Either or.
Wait, who am I kidding? I don't need to give you any solution, I just gotta shout "do something". That's good enough 👆
I never said "Colin didn't give to charities" or anything. If I had, then Rob going "well google shows this" surely would be an L. As it stands, his post contradicted nothing I said. Nor did it seem to contradict anything anyone said. The most others did is ask about his givings to charity.
Oh and speaking of charities I will note donating money to a charity is not even really an example of these players using the attention they gained to do anything good. Not unless they made that money specifically because of their kneeling.
Now there is no doubt in my mind the guy got his Nike endorsement for his activism and not his athletic ability, so I wonder how much of that $14 million went to charities?
His million dollars worth of donations was spread out over time and apparently the last of the donations was in January of 2018, while the Nike partnership was announced in September of 2018.
Are there a lot of blacks that die at the hands of cops because of a lack of knowledge of rights?
Also, if a police officer is one of those guys who will get brutal with you why would knowing your rights stop that? How does that go?
"I don't like the way you're talking to me, time to pistol whip you"
"Officer I know my rights, you cant do that"
"Oh? My mistake, carry on".
Shouldn't it be the brutal cops that need to brush up on the rights of others?
Originally posted by Surtur
Are there a lot of blacks that die at the hands of cops because of a lack of knowledge of rights?
When doing an honest apples to apples comparison, black people are less likely to be killed by the police than white people. It's what we call "white privilege."
https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the-truth-behind-racial-disparities-in-fatal-police-shootings/
“Many people ask whether black or white citizens are more likely to be shot and why. We found that violent crime rates are the driving force behind fatal shootings,†Cesario said. “Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.â€
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Huh? What does right or left have to do with it. The united states is a politcal instiution. Hence songs it's deemed official are forms of political expression. Loving your country is no less partisan then standing up for systematically oppressed people.The only differnece is the former is defending an instutition, while the latter is vested in the interest of the people the instiution was formed to serve.
And how does taking a knee help those people?
If your answer is "By drawing attention to the issues", if that were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The only thing brought to attention, is who is offended by disrespecting the national anthem.
Okay let's rephrase it from "getting too political" because technically even something as universal as opposing murder on a human rights basis is political.
Instead "getting too partisan." Sports and the National Anthem used to be a haven away from political partisanship, and was instead something unifying to Americans. The result of Colin Kaepernick's actions is the partisanization of a space in which Americans used to come together without being at each other's throats politically, and I don't think it's a good thing to drive our populace towards further contempt for their fellow Americans.