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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How many police officers have sat down with members of the community the patrol? Especially officers policing communities in which they do not live. Maybe start there.
I don't know.
How would that work? What would the goal of the conversation be? What if you're patrolling a community that is heavily populated by the likes of gangs, should they be in those meetings?
Originally posted by cdtm
I don't know.How would that work? What would the goal of the conversation be? What if you're patrolling a community that is heavily populated by the likes of gangs, should they be in those meetings?
Community policing involves officers building relationships with the community through interactions with local agencies and members of the public, creating partnerships and strategies for reducing crime and disorder.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Community policing involves officers building relationships with the community through interactions with local agencies and members of the public, creating partnerships and strategies for reducing crime and disorder.
So like a neighborhood watch?
Weren't those at the center of stand your ground problems?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Community policing involves officers building relationships with the community through interactions with local agencies and members of the public, creating partnerships and strategies for reducing crime and disorder.
Which was proven to reduce crime, improve perceptions of law enforcement from the populace, and improve education (the children of the people seem to go to school more often...imagine that).
It is one of the tools in the bag of helping the black community.
Yes, black, because they are poor and uneducated, disproportionately and commit for too many crimes. For instance, Latinos are less educated and poorer than black people but commit less crime - it's not a poverty problem, it's a culture and poverty, education, and law enforcement trust problem.
If the leftists cared about minorities, they'd be strongly pushing for this type of policy to be pushed. And some do! 😄
Actually, Bernie has walked the walk as well as talked the talk. Probably the only Presidential candidate that is genuine. Yang is great policies but he's too much of a politician. That lady from Hawaii? She's good,too. All the rest...
Originally posted by cdtm
So like a neighborhood watch?Weren't those at the center of stand your ground problems?
No. Paying the police to be on duty,visit neighborhoods, check in on the people, and get to know them.
Also, escorting kids to school, ensuring kids have something to eat, etc.
Edit - Oh f*ck...these black kids just need dads to be successful in life. That makes me sad. That's not the polices' job.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No. Paying the police to be on duty,visit neighborhoods, check in on the people, and get to know them.Also, escorting kids to school, ensuring kids have something to eat, etc.
Edit - Oh f*ck...these black kids just need dads to be successful in life. That makes me sad. That's not the polices' job.
How would that work in large metro's, where so many people live that it's impractical to become part of a community?
Imagine if a mailman for New Haven or Long Island was assigned such duties. As is, they're overworked and understaffed to the point, where they're delivering well past nightfall.
Originally posted by cdtm
How would that work in large metro's, where so many people live that it's impractical to become part of a community?Imagine if a mailman for New Haven or Long Island was assigned such duties. As is, they're overworked and understaffed to the point, where they're delivering well past nightfall.
It does not necessarily have to look exactly like that. The goal is to move from a reactive policing strategy to a problem-oriented model.
Originally posted by cdtm
How would that work in large metro's, where so many people live that it's impractical to become part of a community?Imagine if a mailman for New Haven or Long Island was assigned such duties. As is, they're overworked and understaffed to the point, where they're delivering well past nightfall.
I posted on this already.
The police themselves outlined this stuff, not me. I definitely do not want to go look up my old post that had the source but they had a list of over 20 things they can do to improve many aspects of black people's lives in urban areas with police outreach programs.
And, more and more urban areas have Latinos suffering from the same cycles of poverty, ignorance, and violence. This would work for more than black people.
Search my post history and you'll find it. Or use google. This is not new stuff. We've known about the science of this for 20+ years, now. Glasgow greatly reduced their violence issues with similar ( but not as...happy rainbows and butterflies) programs. They went from the murder capital of the western world (greatly eclipsing any US cities) to decent. I wouldn't mouth off to any young Scotsmen at 2AM on an early Saturday morning, still...but it's generally a much safer place than before.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You're talking to a guy who hates patriotism though. Nothing about what you're saying is going to be persuasive to him.
Aside form that, you realize the government's paid the nfl to do the anthem?
And whether i like patriotism or not isn't relevant here. Patriotism is a statement of support for an instuition that sets policies. It is, by definition, politcal. If you have an issue with protests in football due to being political, you shuld have the same issue with songs specifically that specifcially support political instiutions.