Immortal Hulk vs Darkseid in physical match

Originally posted by Bentley
Darkseid obviously has a bunch of other Powers that allow him to dispose of the likes of Doctor Fate and an Avatar of the Green. We are trying to use his physical feats in which beating either of those is not so impressive.

I guess it's valid to give him good durability at the very least though.

Beats Green Lantern with ease and breaks his arm:
https://m.imgur.com/a/uTB8m

He was evenly matched with Anti-monitor (who specifically had to eat multiple realities in order to even be a threat):
https://m.imgur.com/nipgp3D

Originally posted by Diesldude
one slap isn’t going to put Wonder Woman down.

LOL DS isn’t trying which you’re ignoring here but bringing it up as an excuse for the hulk against Zeus. Double standards?

Hulk was spitting out his internal and had his healing ability get punched out of wack. DS was just knocked down to his knees. How much does he weight? 1k? Wonder woman’s punches are powerful enough to punch and move that much weight easy so it’s not a big deal that she was able to knock him down. He’s been punched worse by Superman and was back to normal on the next panel. If DS has tried Wonder Woman would have died.

That's not how it works. In a forum setting the Hulk wouldn't have been holding back due to plot, and being on Earth while asking Zeus for help. People bring up the flashes ability to speed steal, while saying that he would fight at multiple time the speed of light, but when does he do this in a comic book? Everyone seems to be argued at max but the Hulk is always lowballed, which is exactly what you're doing at the moment. The Hulk exceeded Zeus power levels while he was in the Dark Dimension. Forum regulations make it clear that they battle on neutral ground. The Hulk could've gone world breaker on Zeus, but instead he held back so that he wouldn't kill Earth. We know that he's capable of this based on his performance in the Dark Dimension. The Hulk was operating at a level that would've vaporized Diana.

So Hulk gets to fight at his most extreme levels -saw only once- but Flashes don't just because?

Come on, friend.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are you talking about

I forgot about that showing. Powergirl did good against him as well.

Also, I want to point out that I dont care if Hulk was World Breaker or not, Zeus still wouldve wrecked him. Pak outright said Zeus IS God. His mindset was pretty high of Zeus and his kind. Darkseid teamed up with the Justice League wouldve gotten treated like fodder as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, I want to point out that I dont care if Hulk was World Breaker or not, Zeus still wouldve wrecked him. Pak outright said Zeus IS God. His mindset was pretty high of Zeus and his kind. Darkseid teamed up with the Justice League wouldve gotten treated like fodder as well.

How bad of a beating would WBH gotten from Zeus vs what WWH got

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
So Hulk gets to fight at his most extreme levels -saw only once- but Flashes don't just because?

Come on, friend.

Fam

Originally posted by Stoic
That's not how it works. In a forum setting the Hulk wouldn't have been holding back due to plot, and being on Earth while asking Zeus for help. People bring up the flashes ability to speed steal, while saying that he would fight at multiple time the speed of light, but when does he do this in a comic book? Everyone seems to be argued at max but the Hulk is always lowballed, which is exactly what you're doing at the moment. The Hulk exceeded Zeus power levels while he was in the Dark Dimension. Forum regulations make it clear that they battle on neutral ground. The Hulk could've gone world breaker on Zeus, but instead he held back so that he wouldn't kill Earth. We know that he's capable of this based on his performance in the Dark Dimension. The Hulk was operating at a level that would've vaporized Diana.

Full potential =/= ignorance of character.

Speed steal doesn't kill. WBH....Does. it's pretty simple.

You act as of speedstealing is us arguing Flash is at full potential, lol.

When it's not.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How bad of a beating would WBH gotten from Zeus vs what WWH got

Probably worse because Zeus wouldve upped his power. I think Zeus was still holding back.

Well at least you have not gone full carver on that one.

That was the best showing Zeus has ever gotten.

WBH would rape him. Zeus is a wimp who got humbled by Ares and stalemated by Zuras, a spear thrown by a cannon fodder titan (who didn't even have a good position to throw the damn thing, as he was climbing) almost killed him, etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Full potential =/= ignorance of character.

Speed steal doesn't kill. WBH....Does. it's pretty simple.

You act as of speedstealing is us arguing Flash is at full potential, lol.

When it's not.

Bullshit, and the "US" has been noted. I never said anything about the Hulk operating out of character. In fact I made a strong point of mentioning why Zeus kicked his ass instead of the other way around. No Sky Father is destroying an entire Solar System as a side effect of a punch. What you do is attempt to nullify, or minimalize Hulk's feats at every given chance, while arguing how the Flash would turn every opponent that he meets into a statue. Now let's switch Speed with no known upper limit, with strength with no known upper limit. I don't want to read any phucking But, buts out of you, because you've done the speed kills thing quite a few times without mentioning character.

In a forum setting that the Hulk does not have to worry about killing innocents he'd go ham on Darkseid, who has an extremely suspect chin.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That was the best showing Zeus has ever gotten.

WBH would rape him. Zeus is a wimp who got humbled by Ares and stalemated by Zuras, a spear thrown by a cannon fodder titan (who didn't even have a good position to throw the damn thing, as he was climbing) almost killed him, etc.

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Too bad.

I know Zeus is supposed to be equal to Classic Odin, but his actual showings leave much to be desired.

As for WBH, we don't know Hulk's limits in that form, so it's quite hard to say what power it would take to stop him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Bullshit, and the "US" has been noted. I never said anything about the Hulk operating out of character. In fact I made a strong point of mentioning why Zeus kicked his ass instead of the other way around. No Sky Father is destroying an entire Solar System as a side effect of a punch. What you do is attempt to nullify, or minimalize Hulk's feats at every given chance, while arguing how the Flash would turn every opponent that he meets into a statue. Now let's switch Speed with no known upper limit, with strength with no known upper limit. I don't want to read any phucking But, buts out of you, because you've done the speed kills thing quite a few times without mentioning character.

In a forum setting that the Hulk does not have to worry about killing innocents he'd go ham on Darkseid, who has an extremely suspect chin.

Speedsteal doesn't kill.

IF you really want to argue no limits, full potential, then Flash (Wally) is travelling through time, creating time clones, boiling his opponent's blood, burning their eyes out, exploding them from the inside out etc. Here's an example of him burning eyes:

And THAT is what a full potential Flash is doing. Out of character, in forum threads. Compared to that, a speedsteal is nothing. Hell, it's something he has done to characters he calls friends.

As per Ewing, with Immortal Hulk:

It's not just innocents. It's killing, period. The Hulk does not kill. When he DID kill, it was 'a long-held line' that had been crossed.

Don't get upset just because you don't know the character.

In short: arguing that Flash speedsteals, is NOT OOC, ESPECIALLY compared to what he COULD do, IF we truly wanted to argue all powers. But arguing that Hulk kills, when it's a long-held line that he doesn't, IS OOC.

For real?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speedsteal doesn't kill.

IF you really want to argue no limits, full potential, then Flash (Wally) is travelling through time, creating time clones, boiling his opponent's blood, burning their eyes out, exploding them from the inside out etc. Here's an example of him burning eyes:

And THAT is what a full potential Flash is doing. Out of character, in forum threads. Compared to that, a speedsteal is nothing. Hell, it's something he has done to characters he calls friends.

As per Ewing, with Immortal Hulk:

It's not just innocents. It's killing, period. The Hulk does not kill. When he DID kill, it was 'a long-held line' that had been crossed.

Don't get upset just because you don't know the character.

In short: arguing that Flash speedsteals, is NOT OOC, ESPECIALLY compared to what he COULD do, IF we truly wanted to argue all powers. But arguing that Hulk kills, when it's a long-held line that he doesn't, IS OOC.

DS I was busting your balls earlier, but it's true that in a neutral zone all characters would perfom differently, especially ones that generally care about innocent lives. An unhinged Hulk would be capable of staying staying neck and neck with Doomsday, and even surpassing his adaptation abilities. The Hulk adapts as well. Darkseid would be facing an opponent that he would not be able to KO.

I'm ignoring the Thing showing, because the Hulk took a dive, which as soon as the people in the story turned their heads he got up and split. It's extremely ignorant to believe that Ben KO'd the Hulk after he laughed off getting his face caved in by Grand Master Prime. He laughed that punch off. He'd laugh Darkseid's punches off as well, but Darkseid wouldn't be able to do the same.

Oh yeah and you can't compare speed to strength like you're doing because it's obvious that they have different effects on the environment. I'm saying that you always attempt to minimalize what the Hulk can and has done with his strength. You'll chime in to give examples of the Flash, while cadering to to lowballing nonsense that goes against the Hulk.

DS, you've posted what the Flash has done to COIE Anti Monitor. Don't bullshit me. Speed kills remember?

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