Immortal Hulk vs Darkseid in physical match

Originally posted by Stoic
DS I was busting your balls earlier, but it's true that in a neutral zone all characters would perfom differently, especially ones that generally care about innocent lives. An unhinged Hulk would be capable of staying staying neck and neck with Doomsday, and even surpassing his adaptation abilities. The Hulk adapts as well. Darkseid would be facing an opponent that he would not be able to KO.

I'm ignoring the Thing showing, because the Hulk took a dive, which as soon as the people in the story turned their heads he got up and split. It's extremely ignorant to believe that Ben KO'd the Hulk after he laughed off getting his face caved in by Grand Master Prime. He laughed that punch off. He'd laugh Darkseid's punches off as well, but Darkseid wouldn't be able to do the same.

Hulk cares about ALL lives. Not just innocent ones. Why do you ignore this??

Originally posted by Stoic
DS, you've posted what the Flash has done to COIE Anti Monitor. Don't bullshit me. Speed kills remember?

He punched AM really hard and really fast, and was happy he did it.

Hulk/Banner killed a guy who earlier was cutting and slicing him up for fun and for science, and felt incredibly guilty afterwards.

No BS. Contrast Banner up there with:

Now, let's argue as per forum rules, WITHOUT ignoring character.

Flash looks happy to do what it takes to win. Hulk.....Has a line he wouldn't cross. Even with people who are hurting him for fun.

You think I'm applying double standards? No. You don't understand the character and the arguments I make. Not minimising the Hulk, am simply pointing out the errors you and others make, in seriousness. Which yes, aren't apparent when Flash supporters make them.

Nor am I some kind of feat police, despite what MrMind says.

He cares so much that he recently ate a character that wasn't innocent. He knows who Darkseid is. He'd let loose on him.

Originally posted by Stoic
He cares so much that he recently ate a character that wasn't innocent. He knows who Darkseid is. He'd let loose on him.

What LOL. when did this happen? I always thought Hulk didn't cross that line, That's one reason I started to like the character until carver ruined him.

You seem to believe that I'm saying that he'd go for the kill. I'm saying that he'd go for broke without killing him by stopping once Darkseid has been become incapable of fighting back. Does that mean punches that could destroy planets? Yes , if that's what it takes.

Originally posted by Diesldude
What LOL. when did this happen? I always thought Hulk didn't cross that line, That's one reason I started to like the character until carver ruined him.

It's in my scan.

Immortal Hulk #8.

Afterwards, Banner is consumed by guilt.

Originally posted by Stoic
That's not how it works. In a forum setting the Hulk wouldn't have been holding back due to plot, and being on Earth while asking Zeus for help. People bring up the flashes ability to speed steal, while saying that he would fight at multiple time the speed of light, but when does he do this in a comic book? Everyone seems to be argued at max but the Hulk is always lowballed, which is exactly what you're doing at the moment. The Hulk exceeded Zeus power levels while he was in the Dark Dimension. Forum regulations make it clear that they battle on neutral ground. The Hulk could've gone world breaker on Zeus, but instead he held back so that he wouldn't kill Earth. We know that he's capable of this based on his performance in the Dark Dimension. The Hulk was operating at a level that would've vaporized Diana.

That was world breaker and that was a shared feat. LOL you guys have to agree how destructive that feat is. Planetary, dimensional, solar system?

The destruction was probably a chain reaction of the gamma energy that was leaking out of them + the force created from their collision. It wasn't all physical, and a sky father can replicate this feat because they have other powers that are just as destructive if not more

A younger version of DS ate DC's version of Zeus and he was portrayed as a sky father level being.

Zeus beat the ever living crap out of the Hulk
DS ate his company's version of Zeus.

DS wins this easy.

Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to believe that I'm saying that he'd go for the kill. I'm saying that he'd go for broke without killing him by stopping once Darkseid has been become incapable of fighting back. Does that mean punches that could destroy planets? Yes , if that's what it takes.

Whilst DS would go for the kill straight away.

My point, incidentally, is that this is NOT the same as a speedsteal from Flash. NOT the same as Flash using his full speed. Because we always have the CIP/CIS rule in effect. Characters fight....in character.

Originally posted by Diesldude
That was world breaker and that was a shared feat. LOL you guys have to agree how destructive that feat is. Planetary, dimensional, solar system?

The destruction was probably a chain reaction of the gamma energy that was leaving out of them and their collision. It wasn't physical, and a sky father can replicate this feat because they have other powers that is just as destructive if not more as the gamma energy that was leaking out of the hulks.

A younger version of DS ate DC's version of Zeus and he was portrayed as a sky father level being.

There were also specific circumstances leading up to that, where Hulk wished everyone would keep coming back, unharmed, from his punches. THAT'S why he could finally let loose.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There were also specific circumstances leading up to that, where Hulk wished everyone would keep coming back, unharmed, from his punches. THAT'S why he could finally let loose.

👆 yep.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's in my scan.

Immortal Hulk #8.

Afterwards, Banner is consumed by guilt.

Saint, in a forum match Hulk isn't holding back so that ISN'T GOING TO APPLY TO HIM.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Saint, in a forum match Hulk isn't holding back so that ISN'T GOING TO APPLY TO HIM.

He's holding back due to CIP/CIS.

Please read the rules, k thnx.

😂 😂 But it's not the same for wally eh? Biggest hypocrite I know, keep it up

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 😂 But it's not the same for wally eh? Biggest hypocrite I know, keep it up

Its like talking to a multi headed brick wall lol.

Wally doesn't go all out in forum fights. Otherwise it would be like in our BZ, where I beat you with Wally going all out. An all out Wally burns eyes out, time travels, boils their blood, explodes them from the inside....

Speed steal isn't going all out, my friend. Nor is using speed to avoid getting hit/hitting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Its like talking to a multi headed brick wall lol.

Wally doesn't go all out in forum fights. Otherwise it would be like in our BZ, where I beat you with Wally going all out. An all out Wally burns eyes out, time travels, boils their blood, explodes them from the inside....

Speed steal isn't going all out, my friend. Nor is using speed to avoid getting hit/hitting.

He's been hit plenty of times while bloodlusted in comics. same with Superman, you wanna see dozen of examples of either of them getting tagged by MUCH MUCH slower beings despite not holding back?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He's been hit plenty of times while bloodlusted in comics. same with Superman, you wanna see dozen of examples of either of them getting tagged by MUCH MUCH slower beings despite not holding back?

That's now a different point, lol, but ok.

Main point still remains. Hulk going all out is something we have only seen under special circumstances, it's not in his character to do so just because Spiderman used one too many yo mama jokes.

Flash using speedsteals and avoiding getting hit isn't Flash going all out, lmao. Flash supporters actually HOLD BACK in their tactics... because Flash going all out (using canon scans) would be OTT.

Originally posted by Diesldude
What LOL. when did this happen? I always thought Hulk didn't cross that line, That's one reason I started to like the character until carver ruined him.

Immortal Hulk was recently dissected and placed in individual jars, which alone should tell you that Ben didn't actually KO him. Anyway, an evil scientist visited the lab that his body parts were in, he broke out of the jars pulled himself together and ate the guy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's now a different point, lol, but ok.

Main point still remains. Hulk going all out is something we have only seen under special circumstances, it's not in his character to do so just because Spiderman used one too many yo mama jokes.

Flash using speedsteals and avoiding getting hit isn't Flash going all out, lmao. Flash supporters actually HOLD BACK in their tactics... because Flash going all out (using canon scans) would be OTT.

Why would that apply in a vs match?

I'm not talking comics, I'm talking in a match where NONE OF THAT applies. Hulk doesn't need to hold back though because none of that special circumstances applies in a battleboard, they aren't bound by comic rules. vs battles are based on established feats, not CIS

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's now a different point, lol, but ok.

Main point still remains. Hulk going all out is something we have only seen under special circumstances, it's not in his character to do so just because Spiderman used one too many yo mama jokes.

Flash using speedsteals and avoiding getting hit isn't Flash going all out, lmao. Flash supporters actually HOLD BACK in their tactics... because Flash going all out (using canon scans) would be OTT.

A forum match by nature would be that special case that allows him to go for broke. This is Darkseid after all, not Spider Guy.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why would that apply in a vs match?

I'm not talking comics, I'm talking in a match where NONE OF THAT applies. Hulk doesn't need to hold back though because none of that special circumstances applies in a battleboard, they aren't bound by comic rules. vs battles are based on established feats, not CIS

Because in a vs match, THEIR CHARACTER AND CIS STILL APPLIES.

READ THE RULES, lmao.