My problem.with Greta Thunberg.

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Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only, I haven't ignored anything, nor am I trying to absolve myself of responsiblity. the fact that you've resorted to personal attacks just proves who really has the problem.

I've attacked the content of your posts and your dismissive attitude, not you personally.

Frankly, I'm losing my patience with your insistence of focusing on irrelevant details rather than making a legitimate case why we should not take action to reduce pollution or shift toward cleaner renewable energy.

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Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I've attacked the content of your posts and your dismissive attitude, not you personally.

Frankly, I'm losing my patience with your insistence of focusing on irrelevant details rather than making a legitimate case why we should not take action to reduce pollution or shift toward cleaner renewable energy.

Has anyone actually said we should take no action?

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I've attacked the content of your posts and your dismissive attitude, not you personally.

Frankly, I'm losing my patience with your insistence of focusing on irrelevant details rather than making a legitimate case why we should not take action to reduce pollution or shift toward cleaner renewable energy.

Really, then what pray-tell have I been ignoring and what responsibility am I supposedly trying to absolve myself from?

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Once the U.S goes Full Socialist Retard and goes Full 3rd World Shit Hole..all the worlds Climate Change Problems will be SOLVED! Granted most of the ocean pollution (plastic bag and bottles) come from 3 rd World Nations already...

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"

Originally posted by Surtur

I've said it earlier in the thread, and I'll say it again: F*ck the timelines. Many of the predicted climate-, pollution-, and resource depletion-related issues are taking place, even if they aren't happening at the rate at which they were first predicted.

Outcomes (melting polar ice and increasingly frequent severe weather, for example) cannot be dismissed because of a miscalculated timeframe. That would be like ignoring a leak in your home and assuming it won't become a much more serious problem later on that would require more effort and resources to fix, if it's possible repair at all.

That aside, I wonder how many of those predictions on that smart-ass list were legitimate top concerns of the scientific community, and not from science articles that were sensationalized by the media.

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Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I've said it earlier in the thread, and I'll say it again: F*ck the timelines. Many of the predicted climate-, pollution-, and resource depletion-related issues are taking place, even if they aren't happening at the rate at which they were first predicted.

Outcomes (melting polar ice and increasingly frequent severe weather, for example) cannot be dismissed because of a miscalculated timeframe. That would be like ignoring a leak in your home and assuming it won't become a much more serious problem later on that would require more effort and resources to fix, if it's possible repair at all.

That aside, I wonder how many of those predictions on that smart-ass list were legitimate top concerns of the scientific community, and not from science articles that were sensationalized by the media.

But people can't exactly get butt mad over skeptics given all these failed predictions.

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Ignore that they've been wrong for decades doesn't sound like a very sound, logical and honest approach to a disscussion.

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"

Originally posted by Surtur
Has anyone actually said we should take no action?

I'm discussing this on another forum I frequent, so it's hard to keep track of whom said what at this point, but at the very least, that's the impression that I get when people say they've lived through x number of wrong predictions, or that there is a small minority of scientists who deny the effects of human activity on climate change, or that this girl is a raving lunatic that should be ignored.

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People point out wrong predictions not to say there is no problem at all, but to highlight the issue gets frequently overblown. And now we're seeing hysteria again.

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"

Originally posted by Surtur
But people can't exactly get butt mad over skeptics given all these failed predictions.

That's a fair point, but one should also concede that many of these things are happening, and while the worst effects may not happen in their lifetimes or even in their children's, they will affect later generations.

The indifference from some of these people is abhorrent.

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People can't be shocked that if you cry wolf long enough people won't care if a real wolf shows up.

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ignore that they've been wrong for decades doesn't sound like a very sound, logical and honest approach to a disscussion.

Outcomes are more important than timeframes. Messages are more important than deliveries. I don't know how to say it any simpler than that.

Drive long enough without changing your oil, and the motor will blow. It doesn't matter if you've gotten away with driving more than the recommended 3,000-5,000 mile intervals in the past by a couple of thousand miles in the past. That shit will inevitably catch up to you.

Silent Master Senior Member

True or false. If you want people to believe you, it would help if you didn't have a long history of being wrong and massively exaggerating things.

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"
Originally posted by Surtur
People can't be shocked that if you cry wolf long enough people won't care if a real wolf shows up.

They'd care once it showed up and attacked. Seems like a stupid thing to ignore when they know wolves live in the area, even if previous warnings were wrong.

I can't help but think of South Park's Red Dead Redemption/ManBearPig episode while discussing this.

YouTube video

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They'd care once it shows up sure, but you couldn't blame them for being skeptical until then.

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"
Originally posted by Silent Master
True or false. If you want people to believe you, it would help if you didn't have a long history of being wrong and massively exaggerating things.

Sure, that would help, but if the results are pointing to that same conclusion, then failed predictions and pride be damned, you'd better f*cking do something to prevent it.

Eternal Idol Lono, "The Dog"

Originally posted by Surtur
They'd care once it shows up sure, but you couldn't blame them for being skeptical until then.

Remaining skeptical is fine. Throwing caution to the wind with so much at stake is goddamned retarded, though, and that's what so frustrating about it to me.

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How's Greta feel about nuclear power? Positive about it?