World Forger vs. Molecule Man

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hypertime was established as an infinite multiverse from start.

http://i.imgur.com/33yUx0c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0vlZb4D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PvC0fZx.jpg

Hypertime is the fundamental concept that interweaves the infinity of DC's pasts/presents/futures, across ALL of its universes... But according to Alberto, creating something so gargantuanly all-encompassing "isn't really impressive".

Jfc...

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Owen supplies the power. Franklin supplies the imagination.

https://imgur.com/a/B4BUAZb

https://imgur.com/a/nGyWP62

IOW, restoring the multiverse was very much a shared feat that was achieved on a universe-by-universe basis, and required BOTH of them. This was further solidified in the recent issues of FF:
https://i.imgur.com/ho8AjUx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TDrA5ge.jpg

Hell, the intro page for issue #3 credits Franklin's power(and Franklin's power alone) with the feat:

Either way, the point is that World Forger can preform a feat like that(ie. universal creation)...by himself...in a "greatly diminished" state...with a single hammer swing:

...I don't see how you can even begin to put Owen's power on par with Forger's, without just flagrantly ignoring evidence, and/or trolling.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Hypertime is the fundamental concept that interweaves the infinity of DC's pasts/presents/futures, across ALL of its universes... But according to Alberto, creating something so gargantuanly all-encompassing "isn't really impressive".

Jfc...

Newest info states that Franklin is who conceived of, and manifested, each and every universe individually. Owen then used his molecules to bind and anchor those universes to reality, one by one:
https://i.imgur.com/BNKU0xs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sfS2kAh.jpg

IOW, restoring the multiverse was very much a shared feat that was achieved on a universe-by-universe basis, and required BOTH of them. This was further solidified in the recent issues of FF:
https://i.imgur.com/ho8AjUx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TDrA5ge.jpg

Hell, the intro page for issue #3 credits Franklin's power(and Franklin's power alone) with the feat:

Either way, the point is that World Forger can preform a feat like that(ie. universal creation)...by himself...in a "greatly diminished" state...with a single hammer swing:

...I don't see how you can even begin to put Owen's power on par with Forger's, without just flagrantly ignoring evidence, and/or trolling.

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
You do know that MM stood up to Classic Beyonder right?

he didn't, pre retcon beyonder never existed,neither did pre-retcon molecule man. it was an imagination. that's what retcon was for dummy.

Originally posted by MrMind
he didn't, pre retcon beyonder never existed,neither did pre-retcon molecule man. it was an imagination. that's what retcon was for dummy.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Hypertime is the fundamental concept that interweaves the infinity of DC's pasts/presents/futures, across ALL of its universes... But according to Alberto, creating something so gargantuanly all-encompassing "isn't really impressive".

Jfc...

Newest info states that Franklin is who conceived of, and manifested, each and every universe individually. Owen then used his molecules to bind and anchor those universes to reality, one by one:
https://i.imgur.com/BNKU0xs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sfS2kAh.jpg

IOW, restoring the multiverse was very much a shared feat that was achieved on a universe-by-universe basis, and required BOTH of them. This was further solidified in the recent issues of FF:
https://i.imgur.com/ho8AjUx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TDrA5ge.jpg

Hell, the intro page for issue #3 credits Franklin's power(and Franklin's power alone) with the feat:

Either way, the point is that World Forger can preform a feat like that(ie. universal creation)...by himself...in a "greatly diminished" state...with a single hammer swing:

...I don't see how you can even begin to put Owen's power on par with Forger's, without just flagrantly ignoring evidence, and/or trolling.

honestly I'm starting to question current marvel after SW has infinite numbers of universes, if you think about it, they created the multiverse one universe at a time

The multiverse Franklin and Owen created can't be infinite IMO. Not only did they make each universe one at a time, but they also took breaks and shit in between when Franklin needed to rest. And it wasn't implied to have taken them very at all long to do this.

It was stated to be a few thousand universes IIRC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was stated to be a few thousand universes IIRC.

damn, that's how big current marvel is?

I don't think so.

But who knows?

Originally posted by MrMind
honestly I'm starting to question current marvel after SW has infinite numbers of universes, if you think about it, they created the multiverse one universe at a time

Originally posted by LordGod
The multiverse Franklin and Owen created can't be infinite IMO. Not only did they make each universe one at a time, but they also took breaks and shit in between when Franklin needed to rest. And it wasn't implied to have taken them very at all long to do this.

IOW, they weren't creating individual universes for very long at all -- certainly not long enough to produce infinite universes. That's probably why Reed made the number of universes within their newly-fashioned multiverse sound extremely finite here:
https://i.imgur.com/1tVZ9ZC.jpg

You definitely aren't creating an infinite amount of universes in under 10 years by doing it one by one. A few thousand sounds about right.

So, ... this is a creation contest, not a battle. Cool beans then.

Originally posted by MrMind

he didn't, pre retcon beyonder never existed,

neither did pre-retcon molecule man.

it was an imagination.

would mm be able to affect the forge/hammer in anyway like erase from existence?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, ... this is a creation contest, not a battle. Cool beans then.

Actually they did exist, but a few details were changed.

Creating universes is a sign of overall power.

That, and no one's ever asked LT, Eternity, or even Lucifer Morningstar about their "combat feats" before. (For the latter, tanking Michael's power and crafting a multiverse from it was good enough.)

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
All comics are imagination Dummy.

beyonder and molecule man were retconned, meaning they were never that powerful to begin with

WF wins

off topic
there's a reason DC has over 13 1-A beings on vsbattles
and marvel only has 1

DC has 2 tieir-0
Marvel only has 1

or every polls in 2019 across the internet except here, have lucifer and michael over beyonder and molecule man

marvel can't compare to dc in cosmic/abstract level

funny how things changed

Originally posted by MrMind
WF wins

off topic
there's a reason DC has over 13 1-A beings on vsbattles
and marvel only has 1

DC has 2 tieir-0
Marvel only has 1

or every polls in 2019 across the internet except here, have lucifer and michael over beyonder and molecule man

marvel can't compare to dc in cosmic/abstract level

funny how things changed

Yes, people who can actually read and interpret comics accurately have been destroying the delusional Marveltards.

Originally posted by cdtm
Creating universes is a sign of overall power.

That, and no one's ever asked LT, Eternity, or even Lucifer Morningstar about their "combat feats" before. (For the latter, tanking Michael's power and crafting a multiverse from it was good enough.)

People do ask that of LT and Eternity.

Had Monitor created universes?

Originally posted by panthergod
Yes, people who can actually read and interpret comics accurately have been destroying the delusional Marveltards.

Unnecessary

Originally posted by TheHulkster
People do ask that of LT and Eternity.

Had Monitor created universes?

The Monitor of Earth 51 remade the universe after the Monarch/Superboy Prime fight. Happened off panel though

Originally posted by TheHulkster
People do ask that of LT and Eternity.

Had Monitor created universes?

Current Owen and World Forger are in this thread... and it took the power of current Owen+Franklin to manifest full-scale, individual universes. As mentioned, universal creation is something that WF can do all by himself with a single swing of his hammer, while significantly weakened.

Like I said above: how can anyone seriously argue that their powers are even remotely comparable? As of now, current Owen has yet to live up to the lip-service Ewing gave him in that one issue. That's a fact.