World Forger vs. Molecule Man

Originally posted by Diesldude

It’s just that MM does have the power of the beyonders and it’s formidable.

It’s not a easy win for WF they both have multiversal power.

Originally posted by Diesldude

The question is, did MM run out or use up all the power?

She (Griever) is the "Heat Death" ...

... the shit that consumes MultiverseS and cats that can create MultiverseS. 💃

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That aside, there was a stipulated circumstance why she was able to kill Owen.

As I knew there would be.

Originally posted by LordGod
facepalm

3 Beyonders kill MULTIVERSAL LT and all of the hierarchy, yet Owen w. the power of ALL the Beyonders is killed by a being who feared Franklin's UNIVERSAL power.

Yet I'm to believe all of the Beyonders' feats cross-over to Owen? Do you guys even listen to yourselves?

Bits of Owen is being sliced off with each reality. That would would have him weaker by that issue.

It looks like members are back at it again with the "combat feat" dilemma

I generally always assumed the scope and depth of creating universe/multiverses is really what mattered. A being who can create a multiverse>A being who creates one universe

World Forger already stated he can redirect the energy from each swing of his hammer. He even stated that each swing in his diminished form can create a universe. We also know he has create a multiverse.

Stuff like creating universes often implies a lot of direct combat ability. It's *somewhat* circumstantial, sometimes someone can make a universe but that's it, they're, say, using a cosmic forge or such while being personally weak, but if you can wave your hand and make a universe, you can wave your hand and make an energy bolt, black hole, or whatever, so most high creator types can be assumed to be pretty much beyond anyone else who can't create/destroy universes.

...what

Originally posted by LordGod
Same unstable new cosmos, genius.

That was literally credited as -the- reason why Order and Chaos were able to kill LT and take over the hierarchy. So the same principal logically applies to Lifebringer beating Order and Chaos prior to that. You really need to read the issues and take a moment to let everything soak in.

Yeah, youre right, id add the scans.

"We were always yours superiors in the cosmic hierarchy"

https://imgur.com/918Hktu

Ok, this is possible because the multiverse was unstable and the cosmic entities still learning about the new reality:

https://imgur.com/VNgTDJL

I can't wait to see how powerful WF really is. Anyone with me on this?

After reading some issues, I just noticed Owen is a God unto himself with BeyonderS' powers.

Heck, he may be scripting everything that has happened since, and continues to happen now.

This concept of course excludes Starlin and his private party.

But that aside, I'm diggin meticulously, and finding interesting details.

I'll return with goodies.

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Also, I'm trying to understand what Owen was doing helping Franky create universeS for fun,
cuz that doesn't add up at all, since Owen clearly stated in his dialogue with LBG, (pre-Griever story)
he was done with the cosmic stuff,
and wanted to remain in his private reality watching shit unfold.

So, how the phuk did he end up in the Griever story, (post-LBG conversation)
when he was done helping Franklin and had retired to his private domain?

Btw, I don't think Owen was weakened from helping Franky, at-least not in Ultimates #6.

I'll get to the bottom of this soon enough.

This is the first time I delve hard into the new shit going on in Marvel.
I'm off for the next few days, I'm absorbing everything after Secret Wars concerning cosmics.

😂

Originally posted by LordGod
facepalm

3 Beyonders kill MULTIVERSAL LT and all of the hierarchy, yet Owen w. the power of ALL the Beyonders is killed by a being who feared Franklin's UNIVERSAL power.

Yet I'm to believe all of the Beyonders' feats cross-over to Owen? Do you guys even listen to yourselves?

Where does Griever express fear of Franklin's power?

facepalm ...

When you only swing for low balls, you miss the context completely. Per usual.

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Entropy/Destruction is a Cosmic bi-Conceptual abstract embodiment. (unique)

It was only able to manifest, because Franky was creating universeS willie nillie for lulz.

They (Franky/FF) were adding realitieS to the Multiverse,
this, unbeknownst to them,
was "changing the shape of the Multiverse"
which forced Griever to manifest and rectify shit.

Griever (the embodiment of Entropy AND Destruction)

was erasing the universeS they had created effortlessly. (without help) 👆

But, Griever, had to wait till they finished tinkering with the Multiverse, before it could appear.

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Obviously Franklin at any stage of his life means nothing ...

because even when he reaches full potential

'Hey look at me, I can create freakin MultiverseS'

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He still won't be able to escape Griever's touch of death:

'So wut dogs, Entropy' (Griever) 'is coming for that ass ... and there's nothing u can do lol' 👆

Franklin would outlive the death of the universe schmuck. Read again.

Also lol at sidestepping the issue that Griever only attacked when Franklin was depowered.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So I just read the arc, and, the "Griever" is being grossly underestimated here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
She (Griever) is the "Heat Death" ...

... the shit that consumes MultiverseS and cats that can create MultiverseS.

Griever being an aspect of entropy is completely irrelevant, because she was NOT a multiversal being. A multiversal being would NOT be so concerned about Franklin's UNIVERSAL power that they dare not confront him directly until his power is burned out.....And Griever specifically waited for Franklin to become depowered before she acted.

Griever was SO pathetic, in fact, that she couldn't even beat "simple life forms", like the Fantastic Four- that's why they and the other heroes were able to fight against her so well. This was specifically noted by Reed. She also was confined to a single universe and needed a goddamn space ship and Reed's teleporter to get into other universes FFS. The concept of entropy might end up being multiversal, but GRIEVER herself most certainly was not. Not in THIS story at least.

Originally posted by Mr Master
After reading some issues, I just noticed Owen is a God unto himself with BeyonderS' powers.

Heck, he may be scripting everything that has happened since, and continues to happen now.

This concept of course excludes Starlin and his private party.

But that aside, I'm diggin meticulously, and finding interesting details.

I'll return with goodies.

-----------------------------------------------------

Also, I'm trying to understand what Owen was doing helping Franky create universeS for fun,
cuz that doesn't add up at all, since Owen clearly stated in his dialogue with LBG, (pre-Griever story)
he was done with the cosmic stuff,
and wanted to remain in his private reality watching shit unfold.

So, how the phuk did he end up in the Griever story, (post-LBG conversation)
when he was done helping Franklin and had retired to his private domain?

Btw, I don't think Owen was weakened from helping Franky, at-least not in Ultimates #6.

I'll get to the bottom of this soon enough.

This is the first time I delve hard into the new shit going on in Marvel.
I'm off for the next few days, I'm absorbing everything after Secret Wars concerning cosmics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Franklin would outlive the death of the universe schmuck. Read again.

Also lol at sidestepping the issue that Griever only attacked when Franklin was depowered.

He's going to pretend like Griever is multiversal because entropy ends up being the force that kills the multiverse billions of years in the future, for the same reason he pretended like Owen gets the feats of the Beyonders just because he absorbed their powers. lol.

Illogical feat sharing is only permitted when it helps the Marvel side win I guess.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Franklin would outlive the death of the universe schmuck. Read again.

franklin- "WE will watch as all that has been will become something new. the birth of a new universe"
https://i.postimg.cc/wBBg2YGg/2.jpg

galactus- "my energies are all that remain to create the next universe. YOUR NEW HOME"
https://i.postimg.cc/HW60vwnm/0.jpg

and lol @ griever trying to be scaled up to multiverse level now. the desperation is palpable.

cheerleader

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

It's *somewhat* circumstantial, sometimes someone can make a universe but that's it

Originally posted by deft

Ok, this is possible because the multiverse was unstable
and the cosmic entities still learning about the new reality:

Originally posted by Stoic

I can't wait to see how powerful WF really is. Anyone with me on this?

Well, Franklin still can't stop Entropy from exercising her purpose.

So, why should she fear him?

Yall are not ingesting the plot for what it is.