Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yet the movie never mentioned "gravity beam", if otherwise, then bring the proof.Altering the core doesn't translate in the beam taking force.
It alters gravity and it's a beam. What else would you call it?
Superman had trouble standing under it, never mind flying. It was clearly exerting tremendous force on him. On top of that the impact of the beam had created a crater with shit flying all over the place.
here is kal and diana headbutt...
diana falls backwards several feet
here is thanos headbutt against carol...
carol doesn't even flinch
kal might win but then again it could be a stalemate
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thanos' ship was clearly bigger and more powerful than the terraforming ship Superman destroyed.A beam of energy? Prove that a force was being exerted on Superman.
Gravity beam? Where did you got that term from? That was some sort of energy beam which was modifying the Earth's core.
Prove that is was more durable than the world engine.
Why are you trolling? We clearly see the beam crushing cars (flattening them upon contact). We clearly see Superman struggle trying to stand up in the beam. And Superman was weaker. Why did you ignore that?
Why do you think someone going through tissue paper automatically means they are stronger and more durable than Superman?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
here is kal and diana headbutt...diana falls backwards several feet
here is thanos headbutt against carol...
carol doesn't even flinch
kal might win but then again it could be a stalemate
To be fair, Superman was no-selling Wonder Woman, Cyborg, and Aquaman's attempt to overpower him earlier in the scene. He wasn't hurt when WW hit him, he just looked annoyed.
Originally posted by Surtur
The beam was the cause of what was happening to the buildings. Superman was in close proximity to the thing.And yes ships meant for battle need to be able to withstand enemy attacks. Yet I still must point out we have no feats for the ship. And I agree we have no idea exactly how tough the terraforming ship would have to be. All we can say is that it would need to be tough, but that is not a feat. Both ships would have to be tough(albeit for different reasons) and both lack feats.
The easiest conclusing is that it's an energy beam which modifies the core by energizing it in some quantum mechanics way.
Energy beams carry little to no force, at least not enough to matter anyway.
Well, basing it on which ship seemed more impressive, Thanos' dreadnought seems tougher.
Originally posted by Psychotron
It alters gravity and it's a beam. What else would you call it?Superman had trouble standing under it, never mind flying. It was clearly exerting tremendous force on him. On top of that the impact of the beam had created a crater with shit flying all over the place.
You certainly don't call it a "gravity beam", as the movie never called it that nor does a "gravity beam" a thing under human terms.
Furthermore, if you are right and there is a massive amount of force being applied on Superman, the floor beneath Superman should have collapsed, which it didn't .
So, either there is no force or not as much as you are pretending there to be.
Even if you are right and Superman was withstanding massive forces, it would still pale in comparison to CM flying through a Black Hole
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that is was more durable than the world engine.Why are you trolling? We clearly see the beam crushing cars (flattening them upon contact). We clearly see Superman struggle trying to stand up in the beam. And Superman was weaker. Why did you ignore that?
Why do you think someone going through tissue paper automatically means they are stronger and more durable than Superman?
Battleship>>>>Scientific vessle.
In other words, it's your burden to prove against logic.
Was the beam directly over the cars? No, which means it was an outcome of the Earth's gravity being modified by whatever sort of energy beam that was.
Does energy carry mass?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Either way, Thanos>>>>>>>>>>Diana.CM>>>>>Superman.
1) Why does Thanos headbutt harder than Diana?
2) Also CM resisted a headbutt using a force field. She never delivered one. It's possible she wouldn't be even able to effect Superman at all.
3) And Superman >>>>>Thanos. Her resisting Thanos doesn't mean she will resist Superman.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You certainly don't call it a "gravity beam", as the movie never called it that nor does a "gravity beam" a thing under human terms.Furthermore, if you are right and there is a massive amount of force being applied on Superman, [B]the floor beneath Superman should have collapsed, which it didn't
.So, either there is no force or not as much as you are pretending there to be.
Even if you are right and Superman was withstanding massive forces, it would still pale in comparison to CM flying through a Black Hole [/B]
Prove that CM flew through an event horizon.
And flying through the event horizon is a shitty feat if you are traveling faster than light speed (which is the escape velocity). It's not as if you flew through the singularity.
Originally posted by h1a8
1) Why does Thanos headbutt harder than Diana?2) Also CM resisted a headbutt using a force field. She never delivered one. It's possible she wouldn't be even able to effect Superman at all.
3) And Superman >>>>>Thanos. Her resisting Thanos doesn't mean she will resist Superman.
Prove that CM flew through an event horizon.
And flying through the event horizon is a shitty feat if you are traveling faster than light speed (which is the escape velocity). It's not as if you flew through the singularity.
1) Thanos strength feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diana.
2) Who said she didn't had her force field here? Besides, that's part of her power, if you are looking to nerf her, then that's another thing.
3) LOL! Thanos' strength feats>>>>Superman
Watch the movies h1, I know you are an MCU hater just as much as Quanchi is an MCU lover, but at least watch the movies before entering debates.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1) Thanos strength feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diana.2) Who said she didn't had her force field here? Besides, that's part of her power, if you are looking to nerf her, then that's another thing.
3) LOL! Thanos' strength feats>>>>Superman
Watch the movies h1, I know you are an MCU hater just as much as Quanchi is an MCU lover, but at least watch the movies before entering debates.
1) That doesn't mean that Thanos can headbutt harder than her. Diana rocking back Superman is a strength feat, given Superman's durability feats. Therefore it can be argued that she is stronger than Thanos from that mere feat. Diana headbutt had speed and strength behind it. It created a Shockwave.
2) Durability with a force field =/= strength to headbutt someone.
You have to prove that she can significantly effect Superman with a headbutt.
3) Superman's strength feats >>>>>>>>>Thanos. Therefore he is stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8
1) That doesn't mean that Thanos can headbutt harder than her. Diana rocking back Superman is a strength feat, given Superman's durability feats. Therefore it can be argued that she is stronger than Thanos from that mere feat. Diana headbutt had speed and strength behind it. It created a Shockwave.2) Durability with a force field =/= strength to headbutt someone.
You have to prove that she can significantly effect Superman with a headbutt.3) Superman's strength feats >>>>>>>>>Thanos. Therefore he is stronger.
1. Lol, and you call me the troll! If Thanos' strength feats>>>>Diana, simple logic indicates that he will headbutt harder.
2. Captain Marvel was standing toe to toe with Thanos who would shit stomp Diana all day long, you clearly haven't watched the movies.
3. Thanos stomping Hulk>>>> Any strength feat DCEU Superman has portrayed.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You certainly don't call it a "gravity beam", as the movie never called it that nor does a "gravity beam" a thing under human terms.Furthermore, if you are right and there is a massive amount of force being applied on Superman, [B]the floor beneath Superman should have collapsed, which it didn't
.So, either there is no force or not as much as you are pretending there to be.
Even if you are right and Superman was withstanding massive forces, it would still pale in comparison to CM flying through a Black Hole [/B]
What do you call it then, smartass?
Floor? He's not in a building. He's on the ground and there was a crater there created by the WE.
Superman overpowered a singularity. So yeah.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Lol, and you call me the troll! If Thanos' strength feats>>>>Diana, simple logic indicates that he will headbutt harder.2. Captain Marvel was standing toe to toe with Thanos who would shit stomp Diana all day long, you clearly haven't watched the movies.
3. Thanos stomping Hulk>>>> Any strength feat DCEU Superman has portrayed.
1. Why isn't Diana's headbutt a strength feat? Thanos headbutt to Thor appeared weaker than Diana's. You are basing Thanos strength feats off characters he fought (since he has no lifting feats). If so then Why can't Diana's headbutt be based off Superman's durability feats?
2. Again you haven't shown that CM would effect Superman with a headbutt. Giving opinions that reasonable others don't agree with is not evidence.
3. Wrong! Superman is stronger than Hulk period. Superman is more durable too. Plus Thanos hit Hulk in many pressure sensitive areas.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Why isn't Diana's headbutt a strength feat? Thanos headbutt to Thor appeared weaker than Diana's. You are basing Thanos strength feats off characters he fought (since he has no lifting feats). If so then Why can't Diana's headbutt be based off Superman's durability feats?2. Again you haven't shown that CM would effect Superman with a headbutt. Giving opinions that reasonable others don't agree with is not evidence.
3. Wrong! Superman is stronger than Hulk period. Superman is more durable too. Plus Thanos hit Hulk in many pressure sensitive areas.
1. Is easily answerable. Because Thanos defeated and overpowered characters like Hulk and Thor, so we can easily say he's stronger than them and can replicate their strength feats and more. WW never overpowered or defeated Superman, so it's very difficult to quantify just how strong she is based on that headbutt. We can use her tank lifting feat to quantify her strength, but that still makes her weaker than Hulk.
Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Is easily answerable. Because Thanos defeated and overpowered characters like Hulk and Thor, so we can easily say he's stronger than them and can replicate their strength feats and more. WW never overpowered or defeated Superman, so it's very difficult to quantify just how strong she is based on that headbutt. We can use her tank lifting feat to quantify her strength, but that still makes her weaker than Hulk.
But you do know about fiction inconsistency right?
1. Weaker characters can and have struck harder than stronger characters.
2. Characters have highs and lows. For example, a character can have a million ton feat (supergirl) and perform under 200 tons on average. So someone overpowering supergirl in one scene doesn't mean they too can lift a million tons. It's just means that they are stronger than her average and everything else is fiction inconsistency.
Therefore Stronger characters don't get weaker character's top feats. Thanos is stronger than average Hulk. Thanos can't leap like the Hulk because his legs aren't as strong. Striking and lifting, although positively correlated, are different. As others pointed out, an expert and experienced fighter can strike harder than someone who is both a lot stronger and has little to no fighting experience (a bodybuilder for example).
In other words, Thanos being stronger than the Hulk does not mean he can headbutt harder than WW. Visually WW headbutts harder.
Lastly you are giving Thanos strength due to the people he fought. Well WW headbutt Superman and rocked his head back. Given Superman's feats then that is a strength feat well beyond lifting a tank. So you should judge WW's strength off that and not other feats.