Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? Post the scan kid.
So Barry doesn't gets his own feats from past now?
this is from Uncanny X-men vol 1 #196. Beyonder's explanation about Rachel confirms what I stated about her.
Same issue. The spiky black costume is the part of Hound conditioning that was still affecting her whenever she used her powers above a certain level. Also, those tattoos on her face are the tattoos that were imprinted on Hounds as part of their conditioning. Even years after she accepted her role as the Pheonix, Rachel was NOT able to get rid of the Hound Marks.
Same issue. Rachel confirms what I stated about the Hound Conditioning.
Next page. Rachel's biggest shame is that she was a Hound. She'd been using her powers to hide the Hound Mark's.
Mags confirms that he and Rachel have both been through a Holocaust. Mags was actually marked when he was in a concentration camp as a teen. Read what Beyonder says about Mags and Rachel.
#189. We see Rachel's memories of her time as a Hound.
#188. Rachel confirms that drugs were used to NEYTRALIZE her Psi-Talent (her powers) before the torture (Hound Conditioning) began. Thus, she had the pheonix force even back then, but she was only able to use a little bit of it due to her age and inexperience. The drugs blocked her access to the PF.
#184. That power that Selene is referring to is the PF that's inside of Rachel. It's even waaaaay > than the power of a weekend Juggy that she was going to feed on in #187. Remember, Selene is an External and a Master level Sorceress. When she combines her mutant powers with her magic, she rivals Dr. Strange in power. We found that out in the Khulan Gath event. In a later Excalibur storyline, it's shown that the Pheonix Force Avatar can be used as a powerful spell component and/or spell focus. The more powerful the PF Avatar, the more powerful the effects of the spell. We see hints of this when Selene considers making Rachel her heir:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He channeled more than infinity energy? Post proof please.Except he says it was infinite energy several times.
SMH it's not truly "infinite"
If it were, then an amped Cap Cold would NOT have been able to dampen the SF energies that Flash was chanelling/using.
Also, the Speedforce is a Demiplane of existence in and of itself. This is proven by the fact that it's in a constant state of flux (it is being added to and subtracted from on a constant basis).
Flash confirms that his powers and thus the energies he was using/channeling were being dampened by Cap Cold. You can't dampen infinite energy
btw, that was Barry. Remember, he's a Speedforce Generator. Over a year later, it's explained that he's the Avatar of the Speedforce lmao
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Batman explained that Wally would Die if he ever absorbed too much power at one time, as his human body can only take so much.The Speed Force is Infinite. How much of it is Usable at One Time is Not Infinite.
Except you literally said that the SF is infinite......
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
this is from Uncanny X-men vol 1 #196. Beyonder's explanation about Rachel confirms what I stated about her.Same issue. The spiky black costume is the part of Hound conditioning that was still affecting her whenever she used her powers above a certain level. Also, those tattoos on her face are the tattoos that were imprinted on Hounds as part of their conditioning. Even years after she accepted her role as the Pheonix, Rachel was NOT able to get rid of the Hound Marks.
Same issue. Rachel confirms what I stated about the Hound Conditioning.
Next page. Rachel's biggest shame is that she was a Hound. She'd been using her powers to hide the Hound Mark's.
Mags confirms that he and Rachel have both been through a Holocaust. Mags was actually marked when he was in a concentration camp as a teen. Read what Beyonder says about Mags and Rachel.
#189. We see Rachel's memories of her time as a Hound.
#188. Rachel confirms that drugs were used to NEYTRALIZE her Psi-Talent (her powers) before the torture (Hound Conditioning) began. Thus, she had the pheonix force even back then, but she was only able to use a little bit of it due to her age and inexperience. The drugs blocked her access to the PF.
#184. That power that Selene is referring to is the PF that's inside of Rachel. It's even waaaaay > than the power of a weekend Juggy that she was going to feed on in #187. Remember, Selene is an External and a Master level Sorceress. When she combines her mutant powers with her magic, she rivals Dr. Strange in power. We found that out in the Khulan Gath event. In a later Excalibur storyline, it's shown that the Pheonix Force Avatar can be used as a powerful spell component and/or spell focus. The more powerful the PF Avatar, the more powerful the effects of the spell. We see hints of this when Selene considers making Rachel her heir:
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Handbooks confirm that Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Stop trolling.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense.https://i.postimg.cc/W4nD3Q7S/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/502XFn7J/image.jpgHandbooks confirm that Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Stop trolling.
the handbook DOES NOT say that she was only allowed to use the PF after #199. It confirms that she took on the NAME and/or ROLE of the Pheonix in that issue.
Read the 3rd paragraph of that entry. It confirms that Kitty made a deal with the PF to put a portion of the PF inside of Rachel. This happened BEFORE Rachel came into the 616. It's the key factor of how her powers got perm amped enough to get to the 616.
Remember, that happened in the future of Earth 811. You really need to read the scan carefully. Btw, I actually have the issues from the storyline where 811 Kitty and Rachel infiltrate Project Nimrod. It's the very storyline where Nimrod kills that Kitty.
the 1st paragraph on the 2nd page of that entry explains what happened in #199. She claimed the NAME and power of the Pheonix. The crystal she held had NO PF energies in it. She gained more access to the PF then she had before. She was NOT AWARE that she already had a portion of the PF inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616. The PF had suppressed Rachel's memories of Earth 811. Rachel eventually overcame that memory suppression as her control over the PF improved. That happened BEFORE #199. The first page of the entry explains this in the last paragraph of the 1st column.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the handbook DOES NOT say that she was only allowed to use the PF after #199. It confirms that she took on the NAME and/or ROLE of the Pheonix in that issue.Read the 3rd paragraph of that entry. It confirms that Kitty made a deal with the PF to put a portion of the PF inside of Rachel. This happened BEFORE Rachel came into the 616. It's the key factor of how her powers got perm amped enough to get to the 616.
Remember, that happened in the future of Earth 811. You really need to read the scan carefully. Btw, I actually have the issues from the storyline where 811 Kitty and Rachel infiltrate Project Nimrod. It's the very storyline where Nimrod kills that Kitty.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the 1st paragraph on the 2nd page of that entry explains what happened in #199. She claimed the NAME and power of the Pheonix. The crystal she held had NO PF energies in it. She gained more access to the PF then she had before. She was NOT AWARE that she already had a portion of the PF inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616. The PF had suppressed Rachel's memories of Earth 811. Rachel eventually overcame that memory suppression as her control over the PF improved. That happened BEFORE #199. The first page of the entry explains this in the last paragraph of the 1st column.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense.https://i.postimg.cc/W4nD3Q7S/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/502XFn7J/image.jpgHandbooks confirm that Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Stop trolling.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂It flat out says Phoenix only allowed her to use her powers after UXM 199. Magneto didn't encounter her as Phoenix in UXM 196.
Shut up and stop trolling.
Read this part of the entry. The PF had already PERM AMPED Rachel's powers when she was in Earth 811 BEFORE Kate (811 Kitty) & Rachel even entered Project Nimrod. Rachel was NOT AWARE that she had a portion of the PF inside of her at the time. The entry CLEARLY EXPLAINS this. Thus, Rachel was USING the PF BEFORE she even came to the 616. You really need to read the ENTIRE ENTRY.:
Originally posted by abhilegend
She amped her powers to travel in time. She wasn't a PF host. Stop Trolling.
LOL... what.. seriously?
even when she came to the 616, she STILL had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her. How do we know this? Because she was PERM AMPED by the PF BEFORE she even came to the 616. Thus, she was STILL USING the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her, but she DID NOT realize it until she CLAIMED the NAME and power of the Phoenix. The entry EXPLAINS this.
Here are questions & answers that you seem to not understand. Remember, BOTH the entry and the COMIC(S) show and/or explain these.:
--->Did the PF come INTO her from the OUTSIDE when she was in the 616 in #199? NO.
--->Where was the PF? It was INSIDE of her since a PORTION of it has been inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616.
--->Did the PF allow her to use MORE of the PF after Rachel claimed the NAME (ROLE) of the Phoenix? YES. Not only did the portion of the PF that was ALREADY INSIDE of Rachel grow in "quantity", but the PF allowed her to use MORE of it than before (the part where it confirms that it gave her more access to it).
--->Did she have ALL of the PF's power? NO. Even AFTER she claimed the NAME/ROLE of the PF and the PORTION of the PF's power, she still ONLY had a PORTION of it. This is confirmed by the FACT that Necrom (an evil mage) had retained a PORTION of the PF's power in an Excalibur storyline. Also, in the Inferno Event, BOTH Jean Grey and Madeline Prior were shown vying for control of the PF. Thus, once again, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.
--->BTW, there was a Shi'ar Sword and Swordsman that had a PORTION of the PF, too. That portion was a Legacy (aka Inherited Attribute or some such) that ran in that Swordsman's family. Readers found this out when Rachel's team went to the Shi'ar Galaxy to fight Vulcan. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.
Excalibur Vol.1 #48. Rachel senses the portion of the PF that's INSIDE of Necrom. Necrom had retained a portion of the PF from centuries earlier. BTW, Rachel's entry in that updated OHOTMU edition DOES NOT mention that Necrom ALREADY HAD a portion of the PF inside of him from centuries earlier at the time Rachel encountered him. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOMTU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
LOL... what.. seriously?even when she came to the 616, she STILL had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her. How do we know this? Because she was PERM AMPED by the PF BEFORE she even came to the 616. Thus, she was STILL USING the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her, but she DID NOT realize it until she CLAIMED the NAME and power of the Phoenix. The entry EXPLAINS this.
Here are questions & answers that you seem to not understand. Remember, BOTH the entry and the COMIC(S) show and/or explain these.:
--->Did the PF come INTO her from the OUTSIDE when she was in the 616 in #199? NO.
--->Where was the PF? It was INSIDE of her since a PORTION of it has been inside of her even BEFORE she came to the 616.
--->Did the PF allow her to use MORE of the PF after Rachel claimed the NAME (ROLE) of the Phoenix? YES. Not only did the portion of the PF that was ALREADY INSIDE of Rachel grow in "quantity", but the PF allowed her to use MORE of it than before (the part where it confirms that it gave her more access to it).
--->Did she have ALL of the PF's power? NO. Even AFTER she claimed the NAME/ROLE of the PF and the PORTION of the PF's power, she still ONLY had a PORTION of it. This is confirmed by the FACT that Necrom (an evil mage) had retained a PORTION of the PF's power in an Excalibur storyline. Also, in the Inferno Event, BOTH Jean Grey and Madeline Prior were shown vying for control of the PF. Thus, once again, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.
--->BTW, there was a Shi'ar Sword and Swordsman that had a PORTION of the PF, too. That portion was a Legacy (aka Inherited Attribute or some such) that ran in that Swordsman's family. Readers found this out when Rachel's team went to the Shi'ar Galaxy to fight Vulcan. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOTMU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.Excalibur Vol.1 #48. Rachel senses the portion of the PF that's INSIDE of Necrom. Necrom had retained a portion of the PF from centuries earlier. BTW, Rachel's entry in that updated OHOTMU edition DOES NOT mention that Necrom ALREADY HAD a portion of the PF inside of him from centuries earlier at the time Rachel encountered him. Thus, ONCE AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, NOT just the OHOMTU entries to get the FULL CONTEXT.:
Originally posted by abhilegend
She amped her powers to travel in time. She wasn't a PF host. Stop Trolling.
This is your post.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm talking about this instancewhen was any of that mentioned here
The same scan has Magneto reacting to Thor's hammer and repelling it
Mags was shown EASILY using his powers to counter the full power TK of a Pheonix Avatar (Rachel Summers) YEARS AFTER he beat an earlier Phoenix Avatar. Uncanny X-Men Vol.1 #196. Rachel used her TK to amp and redirect that bullet. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to stop that bullet. Panel 5 has Mags CLEARLY CONFIRMING that Rachel (a Phoenix Avatar) was using ALL of her might to try to move that bullet in order to kill that Anti-Mutant Protestor who had tried to kill both her and Kitty Pryde.:
"Phoenix avatar", which she wasn't. Why lie and try to cover it up?
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is your post."Phoenix avatar", which she wasn't. Why lie and try to cover it up?
Bro.. what? 😂
MY GUY this is from Exaclibur Vol.1 #50. Rachel CONFIRMS that Kate (811 Kitty) used a Post-Hypnotic Command to trigger the use of the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of Rachel when they were in Project Nimrod on Earth 811. That happened BEFORE she came to the 616.
AGAIN, you REALLY need to actually READ the comics, and NOT just rely on the OHOTMU entry. Remember, the OHOTMU entries DO NOT cover as much of the details as the comics do.:
Pages later. Merlyn is explaining how the 1st Feron and Necrom encountered a PF Avatar centuries earlier. That Feron was channeling a portion of the power of the PF.:
Next page. Merlyn CONFIRMS that Necrom TORE OUT the portion of the PF that was INSIDE of the 1st Feron. That's the portion of the PF that later became known as the Anti-PF when Necron bonded it w/ a portion of his own lifeforce. AGAIN, in order to get the FULL PROPER CONTEXT, you REALLY need to ACTUALLY READ the comics instead of relying on JUST the OHOTMU entries lmao .:
pages later. Rachel was getting beat by Necrom. The ONLY way to beat him was to give him so much of the PF's power that he'd overload and die. Rachel WILLED (more accurate to say ASKED) the PF to give Necrom more power than he can handle. That's the ONLY TIME that Rachel came EVEN CLOSE to channeling the FULL POWER of the PF. Even AFTER that, Rachel only had a PORTION of the PF inside of her. Remember, that Shi'ar Swordsman and his sword each had a portion of the PF, too, but their portion was MUCH SMALLER than what Rachel had.:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Justice league as pictured (rebirth)
VS
Magneto(shield up)Mags is at peak levels
no bfr
You could always make the argument that Magneto would beat one or two of the League, maybe, but the entire team?
Not unless it's one of those "let's make the villain look like a threat by getting the early win" kind of things.
