Magneto vs Justice League

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mags was HOLDING back with the teen cyclops instance, did you even read the storyline?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

it's OBVIOUS that you DID NOT READ that storyline where the scan is from. That scan is from the Age of X-Man event. Mags was being simultaneously AMPED to an UNSTABLE level and Mentally Dominated by Nate Grey. You need to stop w/ the random Google searches and start actually READING the comics.

This is why google should be supplemental. Magneto was coming as a *pacifist* after being mind controlled by Nate. He was trying to talk to them, not fight at that moment. Try again

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Pauly (the mutant in question) was highly resistant to Mag's bloodbending. However, that DID NOT keep him from NEARLY getting killed by Mags. Also, IIRC, that fight was a scenario psionically played in Mag's mind and the minds of several others. You REALLY need to actually READ the comics instead of using RANDOM Google Search scans. Pauly would actually get haxed by Mag's bloodbend since Rogue has a history of getting haxed by Mags. Remember, she's had the True Invulnerability power for YEARS.:

BTW, Pauly's Invulnerability is NOT the same type as Supes since his is NOT based on a Solar Radiation variation of the Photoelectric Effect.

Rogue doesn't has invulnerablity, never did.

That scene wasn't played in Magneto's mind. Northstar had to rescue Paul separately.

Its funny and sad that you ask me to read comics.

When has Magneto done anything to anyone like Superman? Post the feat where Magneto somehow drains solar radiation from someone because this is all theoretical and you're just asking us to accept Magneto beats Superman on nothing but your imagination. That's not how it works.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This is from Magneto: Dark Sedution #4. Mags was Perm Amped for the 3rd time here. He wasn't even in the area (until the next page) when he SIMULTANEOUSLY haxed Iron Man, contained Triatholon, and Bloodbended She-Hulk to make her KO Carol Danvers and then increase the Bloodbend on She-Hulk. BTW, She-Hulk has Gamma Radiation based Invulnerability. Thus, the claim that he can't bloodbend someone that has the Invulnerability power is NOT supported by the comics. You really need to READ the comics.:

BTW, Mags had NO PROBLEM Bloodbending a Full God. Herc learned this the hard way years ago. This scan is from a storyline that took place years after Mags got his 1st Perm Amp, but over 1 year BEFORE he got his 2nd Perm Amp. Does Herc have the Invulnerability power? YES. Thus, Mags would have NO PROBLEM Bloodbending Diana (Wonder Woman) and Aquaman.:

Polaris confirmed that Diana's armor (especially her bracers) can be haxed by Magnetic Induction. Remember, Magnetic Induction can be used to amp Voltage and/or to amp Electrical Current even in Real Life. He also confirmed that Bats has Taser circuits in his suit. Mags can hax that since he had NO PROBLEM haxing Iron Man in the Dark Seduction storyline.

BTW, Diana and MMH couldn't even use their speed when they were getting haxed. The ONLY one from that team who was able to use his speed is Flash and he was able to get away w/out being haxed.

This is from the SAME storyline. That Jokerized Dr. Polaris was able to keep Supes off-balance virtually throughout the majority of that storyline. Mags is WAAAAY FASTER in the use of his powers and WAAAAY > in power and skill than Dr. Polaris. Thus, he'd have NO PROBLEM doing that to Supes.:

This is from New Mutants Vol.1 #40. This is Mags HOLDING BACK against an Avengers team. It was during the time when he had been perm altered by Moira MacTaggert. He didn't find out about that alteration until YEARS LATER. He was perm amped a 2nd Time YEARS BEFORE this instance. Herc bear hugs him and thinks Mags can't break out. Mags has NO PROBLEM expanding his Force Field so fast and so powerfully that he nearly dislocates Herc's shoulders. BTW, he did that feat shortly after almost taking the full force of Namor's punch. This was during the time when Mags was the Headmaster of Xavier's School. Emma Frost had framed him because she knew that he was going to come after her due to her sending Empath to use his Emotion Control powers on him and some of his friends in order to influence Mag's decision of letting Emma have temporary guardianship over the New Mutants.:

This is from the Magneto: Dark Seduction #4. Mags is INSIDE of a sealed chamber that is restoring his full power, this is how he got his 3rd Perm Amp. Wanda, Lorna (Mag's daughter), and Pietro are each trying to stop him.:

Next page. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to Lockdown the conscious use of their powers even when Pietro was using ALL of his speed to disassemble that tech. Remember, Pietro was MMMFTL at this time due to a Perm Amp he got from repeated and/or prolonged full body exposure to Isotope E BEFORE this storyline took place. Thus, the claim that he can't hax someone that's using Hyperspeed and/or Hyper-Running is NOT supported by the comics at all.:

You're still to prove Magneto is more powerful or skilled than Dr Polaris from JLA 59.

Despite all of these power ups, Magneto gets his ass kicked by X men and nearly killed himself beating a predator x.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I was talking about him beating Superman tbf, the JL is debatable because per the op Mags has his shields up and his shields tanked attacks from powerful beings

Mags can even control gamma radiation, UV, light (this includes non-visible forms of light like x-rays), heat, and even gravitons using his Energy Control powers. Being that he has a history of haxing Earth's sun, it stands to reason that he should also have no problem manipulating solar radiation as well as cosmic radiation (which is basically equal to gamma radiation in its EM frequency). This scan is from a previous edition of the OHOTMU from the 80s.:

this is Pre Crisis Supes giving blood to Lana and Lois (IIRC). This means that he is most likely a Universal Donor (a term used in hematology) and that Kryptonians have blood iron content comparable and/or compatible to that of humans.:

an even OLDER scan. Notice that the doc confirms that Supes blood conforms (is compatible) w/ all 4 (known at the time) blood types. That means that he's a Universal Blood Donor at the time.:

So not sure why sure why Mags couldn't bloodbend him... or other things..

If I can see Supes punching through more durable things than Mags shield I'll concede

If you had wanted to argue about Superman V Magneto, you could have just used a thread where Superman fights Magneto instead of dressing it up like this.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Polaris confirmed that Diana's armor (especially her bracers) can be haxed by Magnetic Induction. Remember, Magnetic Induction can be used to amp Voltage and/or to amp Electrical Current even in Real Life. He also confirmed that Bats has Taser circuits in his suit. Mags can hax that since he had NO PROBLEM haxing Iron Man in the Dark Seduction storyline.

That's pre-52. n52/Rebirth has her bracers made of a different material - you'd need to prove they can be affected in the same way. Batman is also stronger/faster than pre-52.

BTW, Diana and MMH couldn't even use their speed when they were getting haxed. The ONLY one from that team who was able to use his speed is Flash and he was able to get away w/out being haxed.

This is from the SAME storyline. That Jokerized Dr. Polaris was able to keep Supes off-balance virtually throughout the majority of that storyline. Mags is WAAAAY FASTER in the use of his powers and WAAAAY > in power and skill than Dr. Polaris. Thus, he'd have NO PROBLEM doing that to Supes.:

You KEEP using this storyline as 'proof'. Conveniently forgetting that the JLA were there to talk Dr Polaris down:

In this fight, they're not going in to try and beg him to stop.

This is from the Magneto: Dark Seduction #4. Mags is INSIDE of a sealed chamber that is restoring his full power, this is how he got his 3rd Perm Amp. Wanda, Lorna (Mag's daughter), and Pietro are each trying to stop him.:

Next page. Mags had NO PROBLEM using his powers to Lockdown the conscious use of their powers even when Pietro was using ALL of his speed to disassemble that tech. Remember, Pietro was MMMFTL at this time due to a Perm Amp he got from repeated and/or prolonged full body exposure to Isotope E BEFORE this storyline took place. Thus, the claim that he can't hax someone that's using Hyperspeed and/or Hyper-Running is NOT supported by the comics at all.:

Pietro isn't trying to stop him directly - he's distracted and trying to dismantle the machine, lmao.

Flash can feel the EM pulses, and react accordingly:

And the more Magneto concentrates on his FF (which, lets be honest, he WILL be when Cyborg is hitting it with sonics, Superman is punching it, WW is punching etc), the more oxygen he uses up.

Magneto's FF is strong, I agree. He still needs to breathe. And that assumes he can't just get through the FF - he did so against the Turtle's Still Force, his Kryptonite.

1 on 1, sure, he COULD have a chance. All together? No.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read all of those. Kindly explain where Rachel was avatar of Phoenix at the time of UXM 196 as you claimed?

The Avatar of the Phoenix can be both in a Manifestation State or in a host state (as in the case of Rachel). We saw the Manifestation State in the instance where the 1st Feron summoned the PF. Rachel was the Host State AoPF BEFORE #196 since it was CONFIRMED several times that she had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her WAAAAAY BEFORE she even entered Project Nimrod w/ 811 Kitty. She did NOT realize that it was INSIDE of her until #199. In the storyline where she fights Necrom, she CONFIRMS that the portion of the PF felt FAMILIAR to her when 811 Kitty's Post Hypnotic Command triggered it's use that allowed Rachel to travel to the 616. Remember, even the OHOTMU CONFIRMS that the PF had PERM AMPED Rachel BEFORE she even went to Project Nimrod. Thus, she was already USING a portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her WAAAAAY before she came to the 616. She just DID NOT realize it at the time.

---->Havok was AMPED by Emma's TP Hax powers when he was beating Mags. He DID NOT bypass the shields. He WORE them down enough to PENETRATE THEM. Also, Havok's powers have the side effect of HAXING EM energies. You really need to actually READ up on how his powers work. Havok had HELP from Emma Frost when he did that feat.

I haven't seen Supes punched through a Force Field tougher than that of a Non-Weakened Full Power Mag's w/out Supes being Amped and/or helped

BTW, Lex explained how Supes was able to counter the Force Fields and/or Reality Warp Effects of Dominus. He explained that the MORE Supes FOCUSED Mentally, the LESS EFFECTIVE Dominus' powers were on him. This was due to the fact that Dominus was using Supes OWN imagination and/or insecurities AGAINST him to basically improve the EFFECTIVENESS of his attacks on Supes at the time. Mag's Force Field and attacks DO NOT work like that at all. They are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

I'll explain EXACTLY how a FULL POWER NON-WEAKENED Mags can beat that JL team (the one pictured).

The Jokerized Dr. Polaris used his hax powers to make himself a Living Magnetic Pole. The JL team that fought him could NOT go all out against him since there was a HIGH CHANCE of causing MASSIVE disruptions to Earth's Magnetic Field as well as destabilizing the planet. It took them a WHILE to figure out a way to DISRUPT his hax enough to beat him w/out putting the planet at risk. IIRC, it was GL (Kyle) and Plastic Man that came up w/ the idea. Before they used that idea as well as teamwork, they were getting soloed by Dr. Polaris. The ONLY 2 members of that team that managed to NOT get haxed by him were Flash (he was able to get out of the Line of Sight range of Dr. Polaris) and Plastic Man (his special physiology rendered Dr. P's hax attacks virtually ineffective against him).

I'll address the other posts in a few

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The Jokerized Dr. Polaris used his hax powers to make himself a Living Magnetic Pole. The JL team that fought him could NOT go all out against him since there was a HIGH CHANCE of causing MASSIVE disruptions to Earth's Magnetic Field as well as destabilizing the planet. It took them a WHILE to figure out a way to DISRUPT his hax enough to beat him w/out putting the planet at risk. IIRC, it was GL (Kyle) and Plastic Man that came up w/ the idea. Before they used that idea as well as teamwork, they were getting soloed by Dr. Polaris. The ONLY 2 members of that team that managed to NOT get haxed by him were Flash (he was able to get out of the Line of Sight range of Dr. Polaris) and Plastic Man (his special physiology rendered Dr. P's hax attacks virtually ineffective against him).

I'll address the other posts in a few

They were there to talk him down.

Superman was also not 'haxxed' against.

Cyborg can also BFR, as well as create his own EM field:

As well as use sonics(unless we are to argue Magneto blocks ALL sound? That makes him deaf, lmao):

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The Avatar of the Phoenix can be both in a Manifestation State or in a host state (as in the case of Rachel). We saw the Manifestation State in the instance where the 1st Feron summoned the PF. Rachel was the Host State AoPF BEFORE #196 since it was CONFIRMED several times that she had a portion of the PF INSIDE of her WAAAAAY BEFORE she even entered Project Nimrod w/ 811 Kitty. She did NOT realize that it was INSIDE of her until #199. In the storyline where she fights Necrom, she CONFIRMS that the portion of the PF felt FAMILIAR to her when 811 Kitty's Post Hypnotic Command triggered it's use that allowed Rachel to travel to the 616. Remember, even the OHOTMU CONFIRMS that the PF had PERM AMPED Rachel BEFORE she even went to Project Nimrod. Thus, she was already USING a portion of the PF that was INSIDE of her WAAAAAY before she came to the 616. She just DID NOT realize it at the time.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
---->Havok was AMPED by Emma's TP Hax powers when he was beating Mags. He DID NOT bypass the shields. He WORE them down enough to PENETRATE THEM. Also, Havok's powers have the side effect of HAXING EM energies. You really need to actually READ up on how his powers work. Havok had HELP from Emma Frost when he did that feat.

What is this hax gibberish? Havok had Emma remove his mental barriers to access all his power which he normally can't do as it will leave him powerless.

And it wasn't some hax bullshit, it was heat from his blast which broke through his shields. Which is confirmed to be Magneto's Strongest shields.

So much hax, how can Superman compete with Havok. Its not like he has heat vision.

Stop ****ing lying.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did he hold back his shield's durability? He was explicitly maxed out on MGH.
What does that has to do with Archangel breaking his shields?
Paul was almost killed by asphyxiation when Magneto tossed him into upper atmosphere.

Rogue doesn't has invulnerablity, never did.

That scene wasn't played in Magneto's mind. Northstar had to rescue Paul separately.

Its funny and sad that you ask me to read comics.

When has Magneto done anything to anyone like Superman? Post the feat where Magneto somehow drains solar radiation from someone because this is all theoretical and you're just asking us to accept Magneto beats Superman on nothing but your imagination. That's not how it works.

Are you serious? Mags had an UNSTABLE AMP and was HOLDING BACK. Also, Mags was being MENTALLY DOMINATED by Nate Grey. Understand? If Mags was NOT being CONTROLLED by Nate Grey and that amp was STABLE, Mags Archangel WOULD NOT have even been able to come close to Mags. Also, Archangel HAD HELP from other members of the X-Teams. You'd KNOW that if you actually READ that storyline lmao

I may not have ALL the issue from the Age of X-Man storyline, but at least I've READ them (the ones before Nate creates multiple realities via using his Psionic powers to simulate the Power Domination ability on Legion)

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did he hold back his shield's durability? He was explicitly maxed out on MGH.
What does that has to do with Archangel breaking his shields?
Paul was almost killed by asphyxiation when Magneto tossed him into upper atmosphere.

Rogue doesn't has invulnerablity, never did.

That scene wasn't played in Magneto's mind. Northstar had to rescue Paul separately.

Its funny and sad that you ask me to read comics.

When has Magneto done anything to anyone like Superman? Post the feat where Magneto somehow drains solar radiation from someone because this is all theoretical and you're just asking us to accept Magneto beats Superman on nothing but your imagination. That's not how it works.

This is from the AvX event. Mags HAXED the EM energy of Earth's sun in that fight. He even went further by doing a near galaxy level EM hax. Thus, your claim that Mags can't EM hax Solar Radiation is DEBUNKED since Solar Radiation is EM based.:

This is from Herc's OFFICIAL STATS from the mid 80s to early 90s. He has the True Invulnerability power. Thus, your claim that he doesn't is DEBUNKED.:

Rogue CONFIRMS that she's INVULNERABLE. She got that power when she Perm Absorbed Carol Danvers powers years ago. Mags had NO PROBLEM haxing her.:

This is from the John Byrne run of She-Hulk. She CONFIRMS that she is virtually INVULNERABLE. She hurt her hand punching someone who's body's hardness was 1 level lower than Secondary Adamantium. Thus, your claim that She-Hulk is NOT Invulnerable is DEBUNKED by the comics.:

this is from the Ultimate Powers Book. It's a sourcebook that explains virtually EVERY super power in Marvel. The author also made a version of that book for DC. I have BOTH books. This CONFIRMS that Mags PERM HAXED Earth's Magnetosphere to such an extent that Psionic based TP and/or TP hax powers are REDUCED in effective range by 3 levels. That's EASILY a PLANETARY level feat. He did that some time in the Mid-80s or earlier than that. Thus, your claim that Mags doesn't have > skill than Dr. Polaris is DEBUNKED.:

BTW, in that JLA #49 tie-in to the Joker's Last Laugh, Dr. Polaris was at most HALF-PLANET level and that was due to using his EM hax powers to make himself a PERMANENT Living South Pole. However, he LOST that perm amp some time later. Even w/ that perm amp, Kyle and Plastic Man's plan and actions based on that plan were able to wear Dr. P down enough to beat him w/out putting the planet at risk. However, since he was the Permanent Living South Pole at the time, he had to remain in Antarctica. Did you even READ that issue? If you did, you would have KNOWN that simple fact.

Please show Base Dr. Polaris using his EM hax powers to make himself serve as a Surrogate Nervous System for 1 of the most powerful Celestials (Tiamut) like Mags did.

BTW, Mags was shown Bloodbending a FULL GOD over 10 YEARS BEFORE JLA #59 was even published. Dr. Polaris, from what I've seen so far, NEVER did Bloodbending BEFORE that Joker's Last Laugh storyline. BTW, Mags did that feat YEARS BEFORE he got perm amped the 3rd time. In JLA #59, Dr. Polaris was ONLY able to do that Bloodbending feat because he was PERM AMPED by becoming the Living South Pole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did he hold back his shield's durability? He was explicitly maxed out on MGH.
What does that has to do with Archangel breaking his shields?
Paul was almost killed by asphyxiation when Magneto tossed him into upper atmosphere.

Rogue doesn't has invulnerablity, never did.

That scene wasn't played in Magneto's mind. Northstar had to rescue Paul separately.

Its funny and sad that you ask me to read comics.

When has Magneto done anything to anyone like Superman? Post the feat where Magneto somehow drains solar radiation from someone because this is all theoretical and you're just asking us to accept Magneto beats Superman on nothing but your imagination. That's not how it works.

READ the damn storyline! That scene was played in his mind! It's in the same storyline where the scene of him KILLING Dazzler also played in his mind.

Havok has EM, Cosmic, and even Dimensional Energy hax for YEARS. He's even been a "Living Nexus of All Realities" for a short time YEARS ago. Thus, you've proven to ALL OF US that you really DON'T READ the comics at all. Your OWN scan SHOWS and CONFIRMS that Havok HAD HELP since Emma used her Psionic powers to AMP Havok.

those were NOT Mag's STRONGEST shields at all. Did you even READ the storyline where NOTHING the X-Men tried to do were able to get through his MULTI-LAYER FULL STRENGTH SHIELDS? It's the very storyline where he used his powers to save Kitty when she was stuck inside of an Intergalactic Bullet traveling at or near Hyperspace level speeds. Also, Havok's amped blast was NOT > than the Psionic Energy blast that a NON-WEAKENED Galactus used in Secret Wars 1.:

Secret Wars Vol.1 #5. Galactus' Psionic Energy Blast shatters a part of Mag's Fortress AFTER Mag's Shields DEFLECT it. The walls of that fortress were 1 level below Secondary Adamantium in durability. Havok's FULL POWER blasts w/out being amped were at most EQUAL to that level, but that's ONLY if he STACKED his powers. That would be a Medium to High Difficulty Feat since it would NOT be enough to get through Mag's shields at all.:

BTW, we KNOW that Mag's shields DEFLECTED that blast from Galactus because Mags was in a DIFFERENT part of the Fortress at the time. He was in the back of the fortress. The blast was DEFLECTED by his shields towards the RIGHT front side of the fortress.:

pages later. It's CONFIRMED that Mags SHIELDED himself and the X-Men from Galactus' blast. Remember, this was YEARS BEFORE Mags got his 3rd perm amp.:

BTW, Abhi , let's say, for the sake of argument, that Pauly's Invulnerability helped him resist the Bloodbend. Does that mean that ANY TYPE of Invulnerability can be used to do that? NO. You claimed that Rogue and She-Hulk don't have Invulnerability, but I posted scans of BOTH of them CONFIRMING that they DO have that power. You claimed that Herc doesn't have Invulnerability, but his OFFICIAL STATS actually CONFIRM that he has that power. Thus, you'd have to PROVE that Supes and/or ANYONE from that JL team has the SAME TYPE of Invulnerability as Pauly.

BTW, Cannonball is VIRTUALLY INVULNERABLE when he's using his Rocket power due to his Blast Field. In New Mutants Vol.1 #35, Mags had NO PROBLEM countering it. Remember, that was Mags HOLDING BACK. Thus, it's an example of him countering a DIFFERENT type of Invulnerability.:

BTW, this is from Uncanny X-Men Vol.1 #202. That's Logan CONFIRMING that Mags did a Perm Planetary level feat when he Perm Haxed Earth's Magnetosphere.:
https://imgur.com/a/oSTXGhy

Addressing more in a few

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

That's pre-52. n52/Rebirth has her bracers made of a different material - you'd need to prove they can be affected in the same way. Batman is also stronger/faster than pre-52.

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He doesn't have an entire graveyard of ships to call upon in this fight, so not sure what this proves?

You KEEP using this storyline as 'proof'. Conveniently forgetting that the JLA were there to talk Dr Polaris down:

In this fight, they're not going in to try and beg him to stop.

Pietro isn't trying to stop him directly - he's distracted and trying to dismantle the machine, lmao.

Flash can feel the EM pulses, and react accordingly:

And the more Magneto concentrates on his FF (which, lets be honest, he WILL be when Cyborg is hitting it with sonics, Superman is punching it, WW is punching etc), the more oxygen he uses up.

Magneto's FF is strong, I agree. He still needs to breathe. And that assumes he can't just get through the FF - he did so against the Turtle's Still Force, his Kryptonite.

1 on 1, sure, he COULD have a chance. All together? No. [/B]

Stop. Magnetic Induction was used to electrocute her. Also, N52 has a HISTORY of getting electrocuted even by NON-MAGNETICALLY INDUCED electricity. Thus, the claim that Mags can't electrocute her by any means is DEBUNKED.:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

That's pre-52. n52/Rebirth has her bracers made of a different material - you'd need to prove they can be affected in the same way. Batman is also stronger/faster than pre-52.

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He doesn't have an entire graveyard of ships to call upon in this fight, so not sure what this proves?

You KEEP using this storyline as 'proof'. Conveniently forgetting that the JLA were there to talk Dr Polaris down:

In this fight, they're not going in to try and beg him to stop.

Pietro isn't trying to stop him directly - he's distracted and trying to dismantle the machine, lmao.

Flash can feel the EM pulses, and react accordingly:

And the more Magneto concentrates on his FF (which, lets be honest, he WILL be when Cyborg is hitting it with sonics, Superman is punching it, WW is punching etc), the more oxygen he uses up.

Magneto's FF is strong, I agree. He still needs to breathe. And that assumes he can't just get through the FF - he did so against the Turtle's Still Force, his Kryptonite.

1 on 1, sure, he COULD have a chance. All together? No. [/B]

Stop. Mags has been SHOWN in Dark Seduction storyline using his hax powers to move Fabian Cortez via the metal on Cortez's costume from 50 miles away W/OUT needing to SEE him at all. It took 20 seconds. He was NOT even using his FULL POWER at the time. Thus, the claim that he can't hax things from far away is DEBUNKED.:

Next page. Mags EASILY haxes 37 orbital satellites SIMULTANEOUSLY. Who could have EASILY brought those satellites down to crash into his enemies, but he chose NOT TO since he was trying to DEESCALATE the situation. Dr. Polaris needed to be AMPED via prep and/or hax to do such a feat.:

In AvX, Mags is shown EASILY haxing Stark's prepped Energy Relay Satellite to be used as a powered suit of his own. That satellite was MILES ABOVE the fight in Earth Orbit at the time. Thus, unlike Dr. Polaris, he DOES NOT need a "graveyard of ships" to keep Supes offguard.:

But the battlefield doesn't have satellites either.

Stop.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

That's pre-52. n52/Rebirth has her bracers made of a different material - you'd need to prove they can be affected in the same way. Batman is also stronger/faster than pre-52.

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He doesn't have an entire graveyard of ships to call upon in this fight, so not sure what this proves?

You KEEP using this storyline as 'proof'. Conveniently forgetting that the JLA were there to talk Dr Polaris down:

In this fight, they're not going in to try and beg him to stop.

Pietro isn't trying to stop him directly - he's distracted and trying to dismantle the machine, lmao.

Flash can feel the EM pulses, and react accordingly:

And the more Magneto concentrates on his FF (which, lets be honest, he WILL be when Cyborg is hitting it with sonics, Superman is punching it, WW is punching etc), the more oxygen he uses up.

Magneto's FF is strong, I agree. He still needs to breathe. And that assumes he can't just get through the FF - he did so against the Turtle's Still Force, his Kryptonite.

1 on 1, sure, he COULD have a chance. All together? No. [/B]

Stop. If Pietro tried to oneshot that tech, he would have run the risk of it exploding and killing both Polaris and Wanda. He wasn't distracted at all. He was FOCUSED on disassembling that tech W/OUT making it explode. It's called CONTEXT. Understand?

Polaris (Mag's daughter) can feel EM pulses and react to them, too, but that doesn't mean that she can beat a Non-Weakened Full Power Mags.

Also, unlike Pietro, Flash GENERATES static electricity when he uses his powers above a certain level. This has been shown on NUMEROUS occasions. It's his "Lightning Effect." He's even used it to resuscitate a person in the Heroes in Crisis storyline. Thus, Mags would be able to SENSE him and react accordingly.

And I was the one that stated that JL were HOLDING BACK at the time. Thus, your claim that I didn't know the context is DEBUNKED. Remember, I CLEARLY EXPLAINED that it was Kyle and Plastic Man that came up w/ a way to beat Dr. Polaris W/OUT putting the plane at risk since Dr. P had used his hax powers to perm amp himself by making himself the Living South Pole. If the JL had NOT HELD BACK, they would have risked destabilizing the planet because Dr. P was the Living South Pole. They couldn't even move him from Antarctica because of that simple fact. Thus, you prove to ALL of us that your reading comprehension needs more practice.

Stop. Mags has been shown to SIMULTANEOUSLY use Containment Fields, Bloodbend, Power Lockdown, Fly, and "metalbend". Thus, the claim that he'd be too busy concentrating on his force field is NOT supported by the comics at all. Magneto: Dark Seduction #4 debunks your claims since he did all that SIMULTANEOUSLY.:

Next page. Once again, he did that feat from the previous page while SIMULTANEOUSLY using his powers to Lockdown the conscious use of the powers of Pietro, Wanda, and Polaris while SIMULTANEOUSLY flying and using a CONTAINMENT FIELD on them. Thus, your prove ONCE AGAIN, that you DON'T READ the comics at all.:

BTW, this is from the storyline where Mags saves Kitty. He has NO PROBLEM sensing an Intergalactic Bullet from a galaxy away that Kitty was stuck inside of. The High Evolutionary CONFIRMS that the bullet was PHASED at the time Mags detected it. He sensed it FASTER than the High Evolutionary's Long Range Sensors were able to. Bear in mind that the H.E.'s Long Range Sensors can even track Galactus when he's galaxies away. Remember, that bullet was traveling at or near Hyperspace level speeds. Mags even MEMORIZES the unique EM signature of the metal in Kitty's body so that he can later save her. Thus, the claim that he's not fast enough in the use of his powers to sense and/or react to Flash when Flash's is generating electricity is NOT supported at all by the comics.:

BTW, when he saved Kitty he was SIMULTANEOUSLY maintaining Multiple Layered Force Fields, Levitating, and using his powers to redirect an Intergalactic Bullet that was traveling at or near Hyperspace level speeds. He was able to MAINTAIN that SIMULTANEOUS use of MULTIPLE powers for over 24 hours straight. Thus, once again, your claim that he'd be concentrating too much on his force field to use his powers to hax anything is NOT SUPPORTED by the comics at all.

Stop. Mags has used his powers to survive in the vacuum of space.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Why can't you answer it in simple terms? Was she a Phoenix host or not and was she allowed full access to its power? Yes or no.

Stop. She was a Phoenix Host Avatar BEFORE she even came into the 616. She just did NOT realize it until some time AFTER she came to the 616. she NEVER had Full Access to ALL the power of the PF. I proved this several times. You keep leaving CONTEXT OUT. If you don't like when people use the PROPER CONTEXT in their explanations of feats and/or storylines, then you should STOP posting random Google search scans.

Mags counters Banshee's Sonic Attacks by using his powers to hax metallic particles in such a way that they reflect his Sonic Attacks BACK at him. He'd do the same thing to Cyborg's Sonic attacks.:

Polaris has been shown to BFR opponents as well as create her own EM fields even YEARS BEFORE Mags trained her. A Perm-Weakened Mags BEAT her in Magneto: Dark Seduction #4. Thus, your claim that BFR and an EM field will protect Cyborg from Mags is NOT supported at all.

By all means, Please tell us all how Mags can't counter Cyborg's Sonic Attacks. Remember, Mags had NO PROBLEM countering Banshee's Sonic Attacks.:

Please tell us all how Mags can't hax the static electricity that Flash Generates and/or how Mags can't use electrocute Diana and/or Aquaman. Remember, Beast learned the HARD WAY that Mags DOES NOT NEED metal to Magnetically Induce an Electrical Charge.:

Please tell us all how Mags has never used his EM hax powers to hax Solar Radiation. Remember, in the AvX storyline, Mags did hax the EM Energy of Earth's Sun. Is Solar Radiation EM energy? YES. Thus, the claim that a NON-WEAKENED FULL POWER Mags can't hax EM energy on a Star level or greater is NOT SUPPORTED by the comics at all. Dr. Polaris has NEVER been shown to do such a feat w/out Prep, Tech, and/or Help.:

Please tell us all how Mags can't electrocute N52 Diana even though she's been CLEARLY SHOWN to be electrocuted by NON-MAGNETICALLY INDUCED electricity.:

Because in none of your scans does it show Magneto simultaneously defending and attacking against opponents of this caliber.

First femtosecond of this fight, flash is hitting the shield, then vibrating through.

At THE SAME TIME, if not a femtosecond or so after, Superman is punching. Maybe HV as well.

WW as well.

Whilst Cyborg is hitting with Sonic's/attempting at cancelling out his EM field.

THEN AM is hitting with his trident.

It's simultaneous. Your scans show....nothing of his shields being able to simultaneously defend against a guy vibrating through AT THR SAME TIME as a herald of Superman's strength and speed level punching it, AT THE SAME TIME as WW is stabbing with AM....AT THR SAME TIME as fighting off another magnetism user using Sonic's and throwing him off.

Stop.

You show him simultaneously defending and attacking, sure. But not of this level.

It's interesting to note that your 'proof', with Polaris, had Batman still able to talk and strategize, lol.

But by all means, tell me how Magneto now suddenly doesn't need oxygen, lol.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Are you serious? Mags had an UNSTABLE AMP and was HOLDING BACK. Also, Mags was being MENTALLY DOMINATED by Nate Grey. Understand? If Mags was NOT being CONTROLLED by Nate Grey and that amp was STABLE, Mags Archangel WOULD NOT have even been able to come close to Mags. Also, Archangel HAD HELP from other members of the X-Teams. You'd KNOW that if you actually READ that storyline lmao

What nonsense is this? You're taking your opinions as facts now. Archangel broke Magneto's shields, it's up to you to confirm that it was somehow weaker. An amp doesn't makes your shields less durable.

I may not have ALL the issue from the Age of X-Man storyline, but at least I've READ them (the ones before Nate creates multiple realities via using his Psionic powers to simulate the Power Domination ability on Legion)

Shut up troll. At least make sense.

This is from the AvX event. Mags HAXED the EM energy of Earth's sun in that fight. He even went further by doing a near galaxy level EM hax. Thus, your claim that Mags can't EM hax Solar Radiation is DEBUNKED since Solar Radiation is EM based.:

Stop ****ing using hax as a word. He used magnetic fields of sun to amp himself. Not using solar radiation idiot.

This is from Herc's OFFICIAL STATS from the mid 80s to early 90s. He has the True Invulnerability power. Thus, your claim that he doesn't is DEBUNKED.:

Hercules was literally cut by doctors in under siege citing his skin as tougher than leather. That's it.

Rogue CONFIRMS that she's INVULNERABLE. She got that power when she Perm Absorbed Carol Danvers powers years ago. Mags had NO PROBLEM haxing her.:

She isn't.

This is from the John Byrne run of She-Hulk. She CONFIRMS that she is virtually INVULNERABLE. She hurt her hand punching someone who's body's hardness was 1 level lower than Secondary Adamantium. Thus, your claim that She-Hulk is NOT Invulnerable is DEBUNKED by the comics.:

She isn't either. Wendigo has cut her open like nothing.

this is from the Ultimate Powers Book. It's a sourcebook that explains virtually EVERY super power in Marvel. The author also made a version of that book for DC. I have BOTH books. This CONFIRMS that Mags PERM HAXED Earth's Magnetosphere to such an extent that Psionic based TP and/or TP hax powers are REDUCED in effective range by 3 levels. That's EASILY a PLANETARY level feat. He did that some time in the Mid-80s or earlier than that. Thus, your claim that Mags doesn't have > skill than Dr. Polaris is DEBUNKED.:

There's no context to this and has never been shown on panel.

Shut up troll. Post something which actually happened in a comic.

BTW, in that JLA #49 tie-in to the Joker's Last Laugh, Dr. Polaris was at most HALF-PLANET level and that was due to using his EM hax powers to make himself a PERMANENT Living South Pole. However, he LOST that perm amp some time later. Even w/ that perm amp, Kyle and Plastic Man's plan and actions based on that plan were able to wear Dr. P down enough to beat him w/out putting the planet at risk. However, since he was the Permanent Living South Pole at the time, he had to remain in Antarctica. Did you even READ that issue? If you did, you would have KNOWN that simple fact.

How was he half planet level troll when he was changing Earth's axis with each step?

Please show Base Dr. Polaris using his EM hax powers to make himself serve as a Surrogate Nervous System for 1 of the most powerful Celestials (Tiamut) like Mags did.

Why? This isn't base Polaris we are talking about.

BTW, Mags was shown Bloodbending a FULL GOD over 10 YEARS BEFORE JLA #59 was even published. Dr. Polaris, from what I've seen so far, NEVER did Bloodbending BEFORE that Joker's Last Laugh storyline. BTW, Mags did that feat YEARS BEFORE he got perm amped the 3rd time. In JLA #59, Dr. Polaris was ONLY able to do that Bloodbending feat because he was PERM AMPED by becoming the Living South Pole.

Who the **** cares about Hercules being a god? Hercules is shit in invulnerablity, Sauron has given him third degree burns.

Hercules is one of the most overrated characters ever in marvel. The things he has been beaten with wouldn't even tickle Superman.

READ the damn storyline! That scene was played in his mind! It's in the same storyline where the scene of him KILLING Dazzler also played in his mind.

**** off. Northstar rescued Paul later.

Havok has EM, Cosmic, and even Dimensional Energy hax for YEARS. He's even been a "Living Nexus of All Realities" for a short time YEARS ago. Thus, you've proven to ALL OF US that you really DON'T READ the comics at all. Your OWN scan SHOWS and CONFIRMS that Havok HAD HELP since Emma used her Psionic powers to AMP Havok.

Stop ****ing using hax as a word. How the **** emma can amp Havok idiot?

She removed his inhibitions idiot.

those were NOT Mag's STRONGEST shields at all. Did you even READ the storyline where NOTHING the X-Men tried to do were able to get through his MULTI-LAYER FULL STRENGTH SHIELDS? It's the very storyline where he used his powers to save Kitty when she was stuck inside of an Intergalactic Bullet traveling at or near Hyperspace level speeds. Also, Havok's amped blast was NOT > than the Psionic Energy blast that a NON-WEAKENED Galactus used in Secret Wars 1.:

The comic outright said it. Go fight the writer.

Secret Wars Vol.1 #5. Galactus' Psionic Energy Blast shatters a part of Mag's Fortress AFTER Mag's Shields DEFLECT it. The walls of that fortress were 1 level below Secondary Adamantium in durability. Havok's FULL POWER blasts w/out being amped were at most EQUAL to that level, but that's ONLY if he STACKED his powers. That would be a Medium to High Difficulty Feat since it would NOT be enough to get through Mag's shields at all.:

BTW, we KNOW that Mag's shields DEFLECTED that blast from Galactus because Mags was in a DIFFERENT part of the Fortress at the time. He was in the back of the fortress. The blast was DEFLECTED by his shields towards the RIGHT front side of the fortress.:

pages later. It's CONFIRMED that Mags SHIELDED himself and the X-Men from Galactus' blast. Remember, this was YEARS BEFORE Mags got his 3rd perm amp.:

Who the **** cares? Superman has shattered a being who was beating a 5D imp. Nobody is even talking about Superman's high end feats, Superman would vaporise Magneto by a punch then.

BTW, Abhi , let's say, for the sake of argument, that Pauly's Invulnerability helped him resist the Bloodbend. Does that mean that ANY TYPE of Invulnerability can be used to do that? NO. You claimed that Rogue and She-Hulk don't have Invulnerability, but I posted scans of BOTH of them CONFIRMING that they DO have that power. You claimed that Herc doesn't have Invulnerability, but his OFFICIAL STATS actually CONFIRM that he has that power. Thus, you'd have to PROVE that Supes and/or ANYONE from that JL team has the SAME TYPE of Invulnerability as Pauly.

Why? Superman is the poster boy of invulnerablity. Why don't you prove either Hercules, Rogue or ****ing ms marvel are as invulnerable as Superman.

Good luck with that.

BTW, Cannonball is VIRTUALLY INVULNERABLE when he's using his Rocket power due to his Blast Field. In New Mutants Vol.1 #35, Mags had NO PROBLEM countering it. Remember, that was Mags HOLDING BACK. Thus, it's an example of him countering a DIFFERENT type of Invulnerability.:

There are degrees of invulnerablity idiot. Superman is leagues beyond these peasents.

Let's talk when Magneto does it to Juggernaut. Anyone below that is not even worth talking about.

BTW, this is from Uncanny X-Men Vol.1 #202. That's Logan CONFIRMING that Mags did a Perm Planetary level feat when he Perm Haxed Earth's Magnetosphere.:
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Addressing more in a few

So no idea about how it happened and how amped Magneto was. Because Claremont never had Magneto at that level.

And for the last time, stop ****ing using hax as a word. And copy pasting stuff.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because in none of your scans does it show Magneto simultaneously defending and attacking against opponents of this caliber.

First femtosecond of this fight, flash is hitting the shield, then vibrating through.

At THE SAME TIME, if not a femtosecond or so after, Superman is punching. Maybe HV as well.

WW as well.

Whilst Cyborg is hitting with Sonic's/attempting at cancelling out his EM field.

THEN AM is hitting with his trident.

It's simultaneous. Your scans show....nothing of his shields being able to simultaneously defend against a guy vibrating through AT THR SAME TIME as a herald of Superman's strength and speed level punching it, AT THE SAME TIME as WW is stabbing with AM....AT THR SAME TIME as fighting off another magnetism user using Sonic's and throwing him off.

Stop.

You show him simultaneously defending and attacking, sure. But not of this level.

It's interesting to note that your 'proof', with Polaris, had Batman still able to talk and strategize, lol.

But by all means, tell me how Magneto now suddenly doesn't need oxygen, lol.

The scan of Mags you posted was him holding back again.

also Mags has been shown using his powers at hyperspace speeds both in combat and out of combat. In combat he did a real time near galaxy level EM hax in the AvX event. That fest is EASILY femtosecond or faster in speed.

Actually, the way Mags countered Bznshee's sonic attack was to use his powers to VIBRATE metal particles. Thus, the claim that h ed can't hax vibration attacks is DEBUNKED since banshee has BOTH sonic and vibration powers

Mags SOLOED an entire Avengers team while simultaneously maintain using his powers to do other feats on Wanda, Pietro, and Polaris. I even posted the scans of it. Now you're ignoring them. Lol

Yeah so none of them have the speed and physical strength of the JLacombined.

Thanks.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah so none of them have the speed and physical strength of the JLacombined.

Thanks.

Base unamped Supes was EXHAUSTED after fighting Thor. He was BARELY able to stand. Both he and Thor were HOLDING BACK. Herc is equal to Thor in strength. Mags proved that his powers can EASILY break Herc's bear hug. He did the as t feat with broken ribs. Mags was even holding back at the time due to promise he made to Xavier.