Originally posted by Putinbot1
Kudos H1 you got people to argue this for 8 pages.
Think of the outriders scene, but without a shield.
That shield saved Cap and there were only two or three outriders against Cap, not 5.
Now if Cap has a shield against say 3 bears then he easily wins. But he has NO SHIELD and is against at least 5 bears. He gets bitten or clawed.
Originally posted by h1a8
People are trolling for 8 pages. There is no rebuttal to my argument. They can't prove that Cap is fast enough to prevent every bear from biting or clawing him. He does not have his shield here.Think of the outriders scene, but without a shield.
That shield saved Cap and there were only two or three outriders against Cap, not 5.Now if Cap has a shield against say 3 bears then he easily wins. But he has NO SHIELD and is against at least 5 bears. He gets bitten or clawed.
You still haven't provided any proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
The onus is on those assigning special abilities to a character.
Originally posted by h1a8
Think of the outriders scene, but without a shield.
That shield saved Cap and there were only two or three outriders against Cap, not 5.Now if Cap has a shield against say 3 bears then he easily wins. But he has NO SHIELD and is against at least 5 bears. He gets bitten or clawed.
Aren't you assigning abilities to the Bears or Outriders? You are trying to say 1 bear are comparable to 1 Outrider. And you are completely wrong in that comparison.
Follow your own advice.
Something to consider as well:
http://www.slashfilm.com/interview-joe-and-anthony-russo-captain-america/
The other thing was, we didn’t want him in any kind of fabrics or … the suit to us is made of Kevlar, it’s bullet-proof, that’s it’s job. It’s supposed to keep him from getting shot, so it has to have a real functionality.
It’s a covert suit for covert operations. But also it was important to us that the suit be functional and not a costume. Its job is to stop bullets from killing him, so it’s made of Kevlar, that's the material that’s on the suit, so that’s its job.
We redesigned his costume to make sure that it looked like Kevlar. It’s a uniform, it’s not a costume. It’s functional. Its purpose is to stop bullets from killing him.
Again, with everything based in realism, we wanted the costume to be Kevlar-based. We wanted to make sure that the costume had a very functional purpose. That way, when he wears it and you look at him in it, you say “Oh, that’s to stop bullets. I understand."
The USO suit wasn't bulletproof though, which he wears at the end of TWS. But he wore that out of desperation and lack of literally anything else, as that suit was never meant for actual combat and was the costume he wore in WW2 for the stage performances when they were still just basically using him as a mascot. But his main uniform that he wore most of the time is confirmed to be made from kevlar. And it would be asinine to assume he'd choose to downgrade his suits as time went on.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Obviously, bullet-proof =/= stab-proof though (there are differences in how they are made and put together, even if they are all made from Kevlar), but having a suit made from an extremely tough material is still a plus. And claw strikes tend to slash instead of stab anyway.
Cap was shot in WS. No proof of Kevlar there.
What movie shows >>>interviews.
Plus Kevlar doesnt protect against bites.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Aren't you assigning abilities to the Bears or Outriders? You are trying to say 1 bear are comparable to 1 Outrider. And you are completely wrong in that comparison.Follow your own advice.
The outriders are possibly stronger than a bear but that's irrelevant as a bear's teeth and claws can bypass Cap's flesh.
I'm not arguing that a bear will outmuscle Cap (they won't) but rather Cap will get bitten or clawed by at least one of them because there are too many of them here and Cap doesn't have a shield nor is fast enough to prevent getting bitten or clawed.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The onus is on the one making the claim, that's you.
You dont know how debates work. The status quo is always the position that must be proven wrong. A character doesnt have special abilities without proof. No one has to prove that a character DOESNT have special abilities. They automatically dont have them, unless proven otherwise.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap was shot in WS. No proof of Kevlar there.
What movie shows >>>interviews.
I already addressed that. He wasn't wearing his normal suit for the final fight, as shown in the film. He was wearing one of his WW2-era suits, because he didn't have access to his others. He steals it before they head off for the final showdown. It's literally the friggin' Stan Lee cameo for that film. You really suck at watching these movies.
Looking at it now though, looks more like his Howling Commandos uniform. But either way, WW2-era uniform =/= modern, Tony Stark/SHIELD-designed uniform (it's confirmed in AoU that Stark designs all the Avengers gear, but SHIELD clearly also played a role while he was in their service).