Flash vs Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If he stops him cold, and he can't move, how is he moving at 2k miles a second?

If he catches Superman not moving then sure he can stop him “cold” bud tracks.

But for the flash to win so much has to go right for him and it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Superman knocks him out with the kinectic energy the flash tries to steal.

Originally posted by Smurph
I've never really thought about Flash's analogy there...

Why would stealing all of his kinetic energy be like throwing him out of a car? Obviously if it was all of Supes' kinetic energy he would just... stop. So what exactly is Flash stealing in that analogy? Just like... Supes' self-generated acceleration and control?

It’s possible that he could siphon off a large percentage but still leaving Superman in control at least.

Originally posted by Diesldude
it says so in that scan bottom right corner. If he were to take his speed Superman’s momentum would carry him into Moscow and destroy everything in his path.

If he catches Superman not moving then sure he can stop him “cold” bud tracks.

But for the flash to win so much has to go right for him and it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Superman knocks him out with the kinectic energy the flash tries to steal.

You can't have momentum with no kinetic energy.

I think blue Superman was more adept in speed stealing than Wally here albeit feat wise Flash can do it in grandeur scale.

Can’t make any sense on that scan - momentum should still be will within kinetic inertia and take that out you get wall - Wally probably not as adept in speed steal at that time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You can't have momentum with no kinetic energy.

Dies went full Carver on us.

Originally posted by Smurph
I've never really thought about Flash's analogy there...

Why would stealing all of his kinetic energy be like throwing him out of a car? Obviously if it was all of Supes' kinetic energy he would just... stop. So what exactly is Flash stealing in that analogy? Just like... Supes' self-generated acceleration and control?

But like... that would mean he couldn't steel speed from a bullet because it essentially has already been propelled and has momentum...

It just makes no sense...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]Because when has he had to?

Against Amazo. Or even Inertia when he was freed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, I don't think it's a strawman. You're arguing we've never seen it before in comics; I'm saying if he had to, he would - if all of Creation was on the line, against Superman who he knows it's suicidal to go h2h with. You're saying despite knowing Superman, knowing it's suicidal to fight him, he'll....fight him, with these stakes. Ok.

Yes, because that's how he always fights, stuff on line or whatever.

Just because he's never done so, doesn't mean he can't- as my analogy proves.

Moreover, your argument is moot, because he's never had the same stipulations as in the OP.

Nope.

Originally posted by ODG
I tried to figure out a way to explain the obvious contradiction here but I just couldn't. Like maybe Wally wasn't as good at speed-stealing in the past, so he could only steal speed generated by his target, freezing their body so-to-speak... while the momentum was conserved???

But like... that would mean he couldn't steel speed from a bullet because it essentially has already been propelled and has momentum...

It just makes no sense...

Well it’s in the comic, in the comics people fly, run FTL how? It just make no sense.

This is at Dark and Smurph as well.

Comic clearly states that Wally can stop Superman cold with a speed steal. Remove kinetic energy and removes movement. But, if Wally had tried to stop Superman cold there would be collateral damage from ‘here to Moscow’ Why ? Anyone want to take a stab at this?

Or
Maybe Wally can’t instantly steal the amount of kinetic energy that Superman has built up while running at 2k miles per seconds. And it will would take from there to Moscow? Then a bull rush in a forum setting will work.

I don't know what point you think you're making with the scan but I don't think this argument is gonna work out for you.

If Flash can casually "throw Superman from the car" then he could do so and then immediately IMP him. Repeatedly. Right?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Well it’s in the comic, in the comics people fly, run FTL how? It just make no sense.

This is at Dark and Smurph as well.

Comic clearly states that Wally can stop Superman cold with a speed steal. Remove kinetic energy and removes movement. But, if Wally had tried to stop Superman cold there would be collateral damage from ‘here to Moscow’ Why ? Anyone want to take a stab at this?

Or
Maybe Wally can’t [b]instantly steal the amount of kinetic energy that Superman has built up while running at 2k miles per seconds. And it will would take from there to Moscow? Then a bull rush in a forum setting will work. [/B]

Originally posted by Smurph
I don't know what point you think you're making with the scan but I don't think this argument is gonna work out for you.

If Flash can casually "throw Superman from the car" then he could do so and then immediately IMP him. Repeatedly. Right?

Ok then there’s movment right? Casually getting thrown from the car? This was my point all along.

Bull rush at the flash, Superman gets casually thrown from the car; Wally avoids the bull rush, catches up to superman because ‘he’s faster’ about the deliver the imp but oh Superman had knees him in the midsection for the ko.

Also has Wally ever knocked out a Superman level being with an imp ? Not a sucker punch but one where he’s expecting or in a fight in? Heck flash packed a thousand years of punches in one punch and it didn’t even ko an alternate Superman.

Originally posted by ODG
Just because Superman will cause collateral damage doesn’t mean that Flash would lose though. I mean, in this thread there’s nothing stopping Flash from having Superman chase him into the Atlantic and then speedstealing him.

How big is the arena?

I had considered this tactic. Superman can fly to the equator and just absorb sunlight and amp himself. Fly around at Superspeeds and become a balling ball to.
But the issue is, We don’t even know how long that speed steal will last or how long it will take for Wally to completely drain Superman’s kinetic energy which he has control of too and more importantly there’s no solid proof that Wally can speed steal from Superman without physical contact other than he has better control of doing it than Jay.

^ Is the issue of requiring physical contact for a speedstealing still unresolved???

^^Idk we had that scan of flash and Superman in close proximity going fast and flash said he was going to speed steal. They were going at super speed, no reports of them slowing down either. so it’s likely that flash borrowed a little if at all. We know Jay had to make contact, it’s possible flash made contact while speaking with Superman and ww, I’m sure I’m reaching a bit here. At least they were in close proximity. So either physical contact to having to be close to Superman which would then put the flash in harms way.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Is the issue of requiring physical contact for a speedstealing still unresolved???

Originally posted by h1a8
lmao. It was never a question. There are multiple showings of Flash using speedsteal without requiring physical contact.

Whisper it quietly, but I don't think h1 actually knows how to post scans.

Originally posted by Diesldude
show them please. Thanks in advance

Wait! You never seen any scans of it?
And I'm supposed to be the uninformed one lol

Here's one of them

Wally outraced teleportation when he raced the Cosmic Gamblers