Flash vs Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does he have to to control Superman's speed?

If Wally doesn't speed steal, Superman can win

\unless you think wally's going to get through a 180 degree wall of force, get past a frictionless area, and dodge trip points made by superman blasting the ground in places in the middle of a fight where it's been made apparent that he'll have to run around to generate a force of a punch to knock out super who is just going to stand in one place the whole fight so it can happen.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Superman, he eon the last race they had.

Which race was that?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
he has already shown that he knows how to manipulate brain function via Kinetic Energy Manipulation. Shown here, he casualy manipulates the JL's brain function via Speed Lend, which is the exact opposite of Speed Steal. So what do you think would happen if Wally used Speed Steal on brain function? Use common sense

What is stopping Wally from slowing down Clark, gradually, until he is too slow to be a threat? We have literally seen Wally sapping kinetic energy from Supes while he was in mid flight. And have you forgotten that wvery ouncenof kinetic energy Wally steals instantly increases his speed? Have you also forgotten that Wally can slow down bloodflow and bodily functions? Superman wont be doing much moving while having his body, mind, and bloodflow all being slowed down.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't do anything to Superman, just on hippolyta. Read before posting.

It was a demonstration of him USING the ability like I said in my post, read before coming to conclusions. my point stands

Originally posted by abhilegend
If we go by your logic yes.

https://tinyurl.com/ssydr6f

Even heat death of universe can't drain Superman's energy.

How would this be a counter for Speed Steal when Supes has been Speed Stolen multiple times??

Captain Cold is generation a constant field of Absolute Zero. And two, Flash was DELIBERATELY holding back and easily resisted AZ and beat Cold when he finally said **** it and went all out.

Flash speed feats dwarfs Superman's by a margin, Wallys ran the universes life span in a loop like it was nothing

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It was a demonstration of him USING the ability like I said in my post, read before coming to conclusions. my point stands

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How would this be a counter for Speed Steal when Supes has been Speed Stolen multiple times??

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Captain Cold is generation a constant field of Absolute Zero. And two, Flash was DELIBERATELY holding back and easily resisted AZ and beat Cold when he finally said **** it and went all out.

Flash speed feats dwarfs Superman's by a margin, Wallys ran the universes life span in a loop like it was nothing

HV has been stalemated by freeze breath though.

like Wally is going to sit there and let that happen? And how is Superman going to even use Freeze Breath when his body is completely immobilized? Not to mention Wally can slow his brain function meaning even if Superman wanted to use Freeze Breath he his own thoughts aould be too slow to command his body to do it, especially before Wally takes him out.
And even if Wally allowed Supes to use Freeze Breath, not only can Wally outrun it, he can also phase through it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I disagree with that logic, "speed steal" is just not that potent in comics.

Of course he can, he has already beaten total shut down of his body, has gone through heat death of universe. Wally? Can't even drain the momentum of a space ship fully.

How about that.

It's not Wally flat-out saying that he can steal all of Superman's kinetic energy and leave him for dead:
https://i.imgur.com/ubRy0U6.jpg

It's not Wally invisibly controlling Superman's [alongside a shitload of other heroes] speed:
https://i.imgur.com/4pTAmux.jpg

It's not Jay stealing Supes speed:
https://imgur.com/a/QjHslHk

It's not Wally stealing and redirecting Superman, Jay and Wonder Woman's speed:
https://imgur.com/a/wmyCLRe

It's not Wally speed-stealing the combined kinetic energy stress that Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter combined put on Earth:
https://imgur.com/a/hQGqWby

It's not verge-of-death Wally speed stealing Amazo's speed, who explicitly retaliated too fast for Superman
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6df0ad0f94f89c8d3638a5007f09c83f.webp
https://i.imgur.com/8hDQchE.jpg

Obviously, direct statements, speed-steals and speed manipulations of Superman directly don't really matter.

The fact of the matter is, there is no binary here. It's not "Flash steals Superman's speed and leaves him a statue for all of eternity" or "Superman just shruggs it off". The point is that Wally has the capability [both said and done] to steal Superman's speed -- whether he gets him from 100% speed to 10% speed or 0% speed [all the while, Wally is amping his own speed], and then randomly allows Superman back up to 30% or whatnot and doesn't keep absorbing is semantics -- point is, Superman won't be able to do anything to him, since he simply will never be allowed to be fast enough in order to do anything.

If Flash is 100 and Superman is 95, Wally can, at his own leisure, put him anywhere from 0 to 10 whenever he feel like it, IMP him, jog around, and then do it all again. Superman breathing hard won't do anything to change that.

Yeah but this Superman thinks Flash is going to end all life, so he probably just counter-vibrates the speed steal and punches through the speed force.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If there's anything that objectively shows the comparison between Superman and Flash, it's Wally struggling to speed steal a falling ship while Superman goes through the heat death of the Universe 👆

It's not Wally flat-out saying that he can steal all of Superman's kinetic energy and leave him for dead:
https://i.imgur.com/ubRy0U6.jpg

It's not Wally invisibly controlling Superman's [alongside a shitload of other heroes] speed:
https://i.imgur.com/4pTAmux.jpg

It's not Jay stealing Supes speed:
https://imgur.com/a/QjHslHk

It's not Wally stealing and redirecting Superman, Jay and Wonder Woman's speed:
https://imgur.com/a/wmyCLRe

It's not Wally speed-stealing the combined kinetic energy stress that Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter combined put on Earth:
https://imgur.com/a/hQGqWby

It's not verge-of-death Wally speed stealing Amazo's speed, who explicitly retaliated too fast for Superman
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6df0ad0f94f89c8d3638a5007f09c83f.webp
https://i.imgur.com/8hDQchE.jpg

Obviously, direct statements, speed-steals and speed manipulations of Superman directly don't really matter.

The fact of the matter is, there is no binary here. It's not "Flash steals Superman's speed and leaves him a statue for all of eternity" or "Superman just shruggs it off". The point is that Wally has the capability [both said and done] to steal Superman's speed -- whether he gets him from 100% speed to 10% speed or 0% speed [all the while, Wally is amping his own speed], and then randomly allows Superman back up to 30% or whatnot and doesn't keep absorbing is semantics -- point is, Superman won't be able to do anything to him, since he simply will never be allowed to be fast enough in order to do anything.

If Flash is 100 and Superman is 95, Wally can, at his own leisure, put him anywhere from 0 to 10 whenever he feel like it, IMP him, jog around, and then do it all again. Superman breathing hard won't do anything to change that.

Oh wait, he catches up to Jay on very next page.

And of course, Wally can just stop him cold because he said so, Superman was a total statue when Wally stole his speed too. And Amazo was a total statue when Wally stole his speed, well of course. Silly me to question such scenes.

Wait, are you now questioning a statement made by Wally?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, are you now questioning a statement made by Wally?

Yes.

Reason?

See page 1

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See page 1

The statement of Wally saying it's suicidal to take on Superman is at least based on comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean the statement which you disagreed with? So it's now acceptable when it favors Wally despite Wally never doing it?

The statement of Wally saying it's suicidal to take on Superman is at least based on comics.

Wally has committed suicide by fighting Superman?

Wally HAS affected Superman's speed before, though.

Slower and less attuned to the SF Flashes have affected Superman before.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wally has committed suicide by fighting Superman?

Wally HAS affected Superman's speed before, though.

Slower and less attuned to the SF Flashes have affected Superman before.

Wally has been killed by Superman level beings before.

Kindly show us where he made Superman stop cold in his tracks, permanently.

Wally has been killed by Superman level beings.

Superman has been drained by LESS THAN Wally level beings, lol.