Originally posted by abhilegend
There was no perm amp, Superman just shed his mental blocks for one arc. And Kyle Rayner did have two planet destroying whom Doomsday curbstomped.And?
What nonsense is this? Superman was a low mid tier? Then what about others, Orion, Kyle Rayner, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman? What about the Guardians of the universe who struggled to beat pre DOS Doomsday with a GL ring?
This ain't comicvine boy.
Hence he unlocked his full power. Doomsday on the other hand was fighting all out trying to kill everyone. Before fighting hp doomsday most of these characters were mid tier at best. None of them had any planet level showings. Doomsday couldn’t even destroy a planet during hp he would have to set off a chain reaction to get it done.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk has been KOd by far less than Doomsday. This is why WBH would be treated similarly.Great logic here.
That’s why we don’t account for low showings we have to see something that is consistent which Doomsday is not at all. Also please define getting knocked out because lots of hulks ko’s including context.
Originally posted by Proper_
That’s why we don’t account for low showings we have to see something that is consistent which Doomsday is not at all. Also please define getting knocked out because lots of hulks ko’s including context.
Yes but my point is that Stoic is acting like other incarnations are relevant.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Doomsday has never been immune to physical force
Nor has WBH.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but my point is that Stoic is acting like other incarnations are relevant.Nor has WBH.
Incorrect. What we DO know:
-His endurance and healing is directly related to his strength level.
-We do know that World War Hulk was able to take on the Marvel Universe and stalemated the Sentry holding back.
-We do know that Worldbreaker is a MASSIVE upgrade to Hulk's power levels, it is to Hulk what the Infinity Gauntlet is to Thanos, he is MUCH stronger with it, but he is a still a massive (though not unbeatable) powerhouse even without it. He doesn't need this powerup to challenge even the strongest of characters. We have not seen WBH harmed at all.
Originally posted by Proper_
Hence he unlocked his full power. Doomsday on the other hand was fighting all out trying to kill everyone. Before fighting hp doomsday most of these characters were mid tier at best. None of them had any planet level showings. Doomsday couldn’t even destroy a planet during hp he would have to set off a chain reaction to get it done.
Destroying, moving, etc planets are outlier feats and do not ALONE constitute being a high Herald or not. Characters are mostly judged (more weight put on their level) based off direct comparison and overall formidability. For example, Superman has operated in a fraction of a nanosecond as if it was several minutes. Any version of Hulk would be an absolute statue to him. He could Bfr everytime with ease. Flash has attosecond reactions and can steal speed and perform IMP and Bfr.
Surely he can beat any high Herald level being with that type of formidability.
And you are not considering durability. Glass canons exists.
You now see that "can't be a high Herald" because of no planetary feats is faulty?
Everytime Glads punches someone does not mean he is using planetary force. Same with Surfer blading, etc
One does not need a planetary attack to take out Hulk.
Originally posted by Proper_
Hence he unlocked his full power. Doomsday on the other hand was fighting all out trying to kill everyone. Before fighting hp doomsday most of these characters were mid tier at best. None of them had any planet level showings. Doomsday couldn’t even destroy a planet during hp he would have to set off a chain reaction to get it done.
Who says DD was going all out? He was clearly toying with Ted Kord.
Originally posted by h1a8
Destroying, moving, etc planets are outlier feats and do not ALONE constitute being a high Herald or not. Characters are mostly judged (more weight put on their level) based off direct comparison and overall formidability. For example, Superman has operated in a fraction of a nanosecond as if it was several minutes. Any version of Hulk would be an absolute statue to him. He could Bfr everytime with ease. Flash has attosecond reactions and can steal speed and perform IMP and Bfr.
Surely he can beat any high Herald level being with that type of formidability.
And you are not considering durability. Glass canons exists.You now see that "can't be a high Herald" because of no planetary feats is faulty?
Everytime Glads punches someone does not mean he is using planetary force. Same with Surfer blading, etc
One does not need a planetary attack to take out Hulk.
Displaying such strength and or durability of a high caliber definitely shows what tier the character is operating on. Sure if you can contend with that character and display equal or above showings. What I’m saying is most of those characters he was fighting against we’re not really that powerful at the time and later got amped during post crisis.
Originally posted by Proper_
Prove he was mid herald level
Originally posted by Proper_
Hence he unlocked his full power. Doomsday on the other hand was fighting all out trying to kill everyone. Before fighting hp doomsday most of these characters were mid tier at best. None of them had any planet level showings. Doomsday couldn’t even destroy a planet during hp he would have to set off a chain reaction to get it done.
Mid heralds? Kyle was destroying planets long before that.
http://i.imgur.com/q0sQLW2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pCfhfA6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BGqOqDz.jpg
Destroys Mogo.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23364346/GreenLantern-Annual7-33.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23364347/GreenLantern-Annual7-34.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23364348/GreenLantern-Annual7-35.jpg.html
Even contained a supernova after creating a black hole in Solaris and then Superman prime destroyed Solaris (a star) by using his ring.
This is what you call a mid herald?
😂
Originally posted by Proper_
Displaying such strength and or durability of a high caliber definitely shows what tier the character is operating on. Sure if you can contend with that character and display equal or above showings. What I’m saying is most of those characters he was fighting against we’re not really that powerful at the time and later got amped during post crisis.
Have you even read the arc or just going around by respect threads?
Originally posted by abhilegend\
So just looking for chronology of Superman in OWAW, I found that Superman went to several levelsof power in one arc alone.
First, Mongul shows Superman that he is limiting his power and he needs to go all out if he wants
to beat Imperiex (Probe).
https://postimg.cc/image/ki6tfqkod/
https://postimg.cc/image/9vd0ac7e5/
https://postimg.cc/image/oek5bqddp/
https://postimg.cc/image/719uwvpsd/
https://postimg.cc/image/x9kzm9x19/
https://postimg.cc/image/xz3ryn5al/
https://postimg.cc/image/wwtlg2zbx/
https://postimg.cc/image/d27jtzezh/
https://postimg.cc/image/q6d46oer1/But even then Superman struggled to even stagger the imperiex probe even with Mongul helping him.
https://postimg.cc/image/iqdukvyrh/
https://postimg.cc/image/v50ml8df1/
https://postimg.cc/image/3ufbdbpxp/
https://postimg.cc/image/ybv64vsq5/
https://postimg.cc/image/476pjhl25/
https://postimg.cc/image/7qsn9b37h/
https://postimg.cc/image/t0g9k5yxp/
https://postimg.cc/image/nc9yt8s0d/This same Superman was overpowerd by Validus created by Warworld easily. And Warworld could
easily create hundreds of such holograms.
https://postimg.cc/image/hpdlvachp/
https://postimg.cc/image/jh6kq68p9/
https://postimg.cc/image/72jspvjrx/
https://postimg.cc/image/7s2l28clp/
https://postimg.cc/image/evaghu2lp/
https://postimg.cc/image/fxkn0ddp9/Then Superman went a level above and with very high difficulty managed to stalemate one probe who
even broke his arm and then defeated it.
https://postimg.cc/image/9wmy3gyul/
https://postimg.cc/image/oslhb2xel/
https://postimg.cc/image/c17b4k871/
https://postimg.cc/image/a9ec9n1ot/
https://postimg.cc/image/4xzfoyah9/
https://postimg.cc/image/84tz8k7rx/One level above when he managed to do it without getting his arm broken but was messed up by one
probe's explosion.
https://postimg.cc/image/yd53y29wt/
https://postimg.cc/image/z2nwagd19/
https://postimg.cc/image/vvtcqt5fx/
https://postimg.cc/image/4xzfp308d/
https://postimg.cc/image/oslhb77q5/
https://postimg.cc/image/am5qfy1zx/
https://postimg.cc/image/iewe7xnel/Then a whole another level where he essentially oneshotted innumerable Probes like nothing.
https://postimg.cc/image/4l81ix53x/
https://postimg.cc/image/72jsq7jvh/
https://postimg.cc/image/puvnts0u5/
https://postimg.cc/image/wy3j9dyjx/
https://postimg.cc/image/k6pd2w47h/And yet another level when Brainiac 13 absorbs the entire power of Imperiex and has the total
power of Warworld at its command, Superman still manages to stalemate B13 in raw strength.
https://postimg.cc/image/puvnttb4t/
https://postimg.cc/image/3vp96lmkt/
https://postimg.cc/image/6d10duyrh/
https://postimg.cc/image/wlc53960d/And just how powerful was one probe? Fortress Eradicator saw just imperiex probe destroy entire
galaxies and had to fly away from lightyeard of aftershocks just to get away from it.
https://postimg.cc/image/hcm7piewt/
https://postimg.cc/image/wlc53agb1/One Imperiex probe destroyed Maxima's galaxy.
https://postimg.cc/image/oslhbd7rx/
https://postimg.cc/image/qx5ucg1ot/
https://postimg.cc/image/j4f6kgga5/
https://postimg.cc/image/yd53y8hod/
https://postimg.cc/image/hcm7pkrsd/The galaxies were destroyed by probes creating a construct and channeling their power to destroy
the galaxy whose power was then channeled into Imperiex's ship.
https://postimg.cc/image/609m7tlod/
https://postimg.cc/image/3vp96qrrh/
https://postimg.cc/image/7qsn9b37h/
https://postimg.cc/image/t0g9k5yxp/
https://postimg.cc/image/nc9yt8s0d/
