HP Doomsday vs Hulk

Originally posted by Proper_
Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.
Yeah HP series takes place way before Superman v2 #151-153

It's blatantly obvious that the Superman he fought in Doomsday Wars was an embarrassing low mid tier, but for some reason people think it's okay to act as if they can scale Doomsday off of Post-Crisis Supes' consistent power level. Not just Superman either, the same goes for the rest of the characters he fights, like there's people bringing up Cyborg Superman in this thread, but the Cyborg Supes that the Doomsday Clone defeated was knocked over by Nightwing, effortlessly had his core ripped out by Superman, and most importantly straight up split the clone in half with a bullrush first before the clone had his plot device adaption powers activate and became a Cyborg-Doomsday. It's absurd but people clearly have no intentions of stopping for whatever reason.

Define "low mid tier" please. Because at the time of Doomsday Wars, Superman was comfortably in the mid to high herald range.

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And that's a terrible comparison since DOS Doomsday is the weakest version of Doomsday.

No, he isn't.

Oh yeah there's Doomsday Rex and the one the Kryps gangbanged.

My point still stands though, Carv. See bottom of the previous page.

@Darksaint...

And he didnt handle those punches well from Damage either. The first punch had him on the ground questioning damage strength. The second punch knocked him through a small mountain drawing blood. The 3rd hit knocked the wind out of him and the arm lock dropped him to his knees. If you call that handling good then I dont know what to tell you. Doomsday and Superman fight was a drawn out fight. Completely different.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know current Superman fought DOS Doomsday again with the aid of Wonder Woman and didnt do so well?. The same Doomsday that Byrne Superman defeated. Why do you keep mentioning his comparison between Thor, Hercules and Superman? It's not helping your argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Where did you get that it was DOS Doomsday?

He was plucked from that timeline AND he still had on his green suit.

Originally posted by Proper_
Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.

There was no perm amp, Superman just shed his mental blocks for one arc. And Kyle Rayner did have two planet destroying whom Doomsday curbstomped.

Yeah HP series takes place way before Superman v2 #151-153

And?

It's blatantly obvious that the Superman he fought in Doomsday Wars was an embarrassing low mid tier, but for some reason people think it's okay to act as if they can scale Doomsday off of Post-Crisis Supes' consistent power level. Not just Superman either, the same goes for the rest of the characters he fights, like there's people bringing up Cyborg Superman in this thread, but the Cyborg Supes that the Doomsday Clone defeated was knocked over by Nightwing, effortlessly had his core ripped out by Superman, and most importantly straight up split the clone in half with a bullrush first before the clone had his plot device adaption powers activate and became a Cyborg-Doomsday. It's absurd but people clearly have no intentions of stopping for whatever reason.

What nonsense is this? Superman was a low mid tier? Then what about others, Orion, Kyle Rayner, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman? What about the Guardians of the universe who struggled to beat pre DOS Doomsday with a GL ring?

This ain't comicvine boy.

Originally posted by carver9
He was plucked from that timeline AND he still had on his green suit.

You're basically asking me to go back and read that atrocious comic for you and provide scans?

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And he didnt handle those punches well from Damage either. The first punch had him on the ground questioning damage strength. The second punch knocked him through a small mountain drawing blood. The 3rd hit knocked the wind out of him and the arm lock dropped him to his knees. If you call that handling good then I dont know what to tell you. Doomsday and Superman fight was a drawn out fight. Completely different.

World of difference between being dropped to your knees and....being physically beaten to death by someone with their bare hands..

Current Superman was being punched HARDER than when he was killed.

And all it did was what you typed. Yeah he handled that amazingly in comparison

Agreed.

I've been corrected..it wasn't current Supes that faced Damage. It was when he was split.....

So yeah. Whichever way you want to split it, Supes has gotten more powerful

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And that's a terrible comparison since DOS Doomsday is the weakest version of Doomsday.

Wrong once more.

Superman Wars DD should be the weakest, since he was no longer bloodlusted. He even turned into a good guy to preserve the legacy of Superman by fighting against Gog when he believed that Gog killed Superman.

The second weakest would be Doomsday Rex. For after merging with Braniac, he gained intelligence. Superman outright told Rex that Rex was afraid because he can now feel pain, and that intelligence made him weak to be hurt.

Then the next weakest is DOS.

Followed by H/P.

Originally posted by SquallX
Wrong once more.

Superman Wars DD should be the weakest, since he was no longer bloodlusted. He even turned into a good guy to preserve the legacy of Superman by fighting against Gog when he believed that Gog killed Superman.

The second weakest would be Doomsday Rex. For after merging with Braniac, he gained intelligence. Superman outright told Rex that Rex was afraid because he can now feel pain, and that intelligence made him weak to be hurt.

Then the next weakest is DOS.

Followed by H/P.

Lol... DOS Doomsday is by far the weakest. Sorry

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... DOS Doomsday is by far the weakest. Sorry

No you dummy.

I’ve explained it to you on why you’re wrong. The more intelligence DD gains, the more aware he becomes, the lower is inability to just rush ahead.

That’s why DD Rex was afraid of Clark. I think that same scene, Clark even told Rex why Rex was attacking him, and backing away from Clark.

Originally posted by carver9
You're basically asking me to go back and read that atrocious comic for you and provide scans?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've been corrected..it wasn't current Supes that faced Damage. It was when he was split.....

So yeah. Whichever way you want to split it, Supes has gotten more powerful

Wasn't Action Comics 976 releases March 22, 2017?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/action-comics-2016/action-comics-976

And Damage #11 released on November 21, 2018?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/damage-2017/damage-11

Or am I missing something?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Wasn't Action Comics 976 releases March 22, 2017?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/action-comics-2016/action-comics-976

And Damage #11 released on November 21, 2018?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/damage-2017/damage-11

Or am I missing something?

Yes, my inability to read lol.

Current Superman is INDEED more powerful than DoS Superman, which was my original point lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you're missing the point.

Superman is now able to take punches that are harder than the ones that killed him. I am NOT making the comparison. DC are.

Is DoS the weakest Doomsday? Sure, why not. He still was able to physically beat DC's top herald to death with his bare hands.

That herald can now take that same beating. Can even take punches HARDER than the ones in that beating.

Again, not me saying this

Originally posted by darthgoober
He's been doing that since right after DOS though. The Warrior(Guy) was specifically noted by Supes as hitting harder than DD too. Don't get me wrong because I'm in no way suggesting that Supes's power hasn't increased over the years(I fully support the notion that he has), I'm just saying that Supes handling harder punches than he received when he "died" is nothing new.

👆 thus proving my point 🙂

My point isn't that it's anything new. I just used Damage as it was the most recent example and thus, fresh in people's minds, and because Carver is very familiar with Damage, being a great fan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And the Hulk has been KOd by the Thing, by a snake, etc.....

Completely different incarnations. Not relevant to this thread at all