Ivory Kings vs Strange Visitor Superman

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I just read it. I don’t see anywhere where he is shown in the second issue to be Mxy level. He is able to do one thing that Mxy traditionally does, and that is travel to the 5th dimensio by saying his name backward, but that is it. The celebration scene appears to be something Mxy created. Superman even says that he knows why Mxy started this.

I don’t see anywhere where it is stated that Mxy cannot save the rocket. Only that Superman can’t. I took it that Mxy won’t save it and considers showing Superman where the rocket is located is a gift.

Mxy explains that the ship is trapped between bleeds of reality, so everything appears to be occurring in a single universe. Superman holds back the heat death of that reality. Ivory Kings are multiversal, so that stomp.

Originally posted by LordGod
What multiversal feat did the Beyonders preform?

https://imgur.com/a/4sR00Ds

Where's the multiversal feat lol?

Originally posted by LordGod
Where's the multiversal feat lol?

"They built whole universes"

Originally posted by LordGod
Where's the multiversal feat lol?

Building universes LOL.

Also creating an infinite number of Molecule Men, one for each universe and each destroying that universe when dying. The plan was to kill all at once to destroy the multiverse as an experiment.

Superman wins

He was Mxy’s superior. He achieved things that Mxy himself couldn’t

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman wins

He was Mxy’s superior. He achieved things that Mxy himself couldn’t

Can you provide a scan or quote stating what Mxy cannot do?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Can you provide a scan or quote stating what Mxy cannot do?

people scale beyonders to the marvel cosmic abstracts they beaten

SV Superman scales to Mxy, who's more powerful than the combine of all marvel abstracts

pretty simple

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Building universes LOL.

Also creating an infinite number of Molecule Men, one for each universe and each destroying that universe when dying. The plan was to kill all at once to destroy the multiverse as an experiment.

First off, that is a statement. Not a feat.

Second, "building universes" hardly qualifies as multiversal. Franklin Richards can also build universes- so is he multiversal also? 😂

Originally posted by LordGod
What multiversal feat did the Beyonders preform?

...But then Starbrand destroyed one, the Ex Nihilii destroyed one, a weakened Thor+Hyperion steamrolled through droves of them, and the Owen Bomb --which only destroyed a few hundred-thousand universes(meaning its yield was infinitely below multiversal)-- wiped out the entire damn race of Beyonders.

You'll find that anyone who still tries to act like the Beyonders are irrefutably multiversal powers, typically has a very hard time accepting(or will flat-out ignore) all of their definitively sub-multiversal showings. 🙂

Is that not PIS?

Originally posted by LordGod
LOL indeed.

First off, that is a statement. Not a feat.

Second, "building universes" hardly qualifies as multiversal. Franklin Richards can also build universes- so is he multiversal also? 😂

Feats are confirmed through dialogue. It such a statement was made about a DC character, you would embrace it.

And then there is providing the power to infinite MMs.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Is that not PIS?

You tell us.

There is *one* POTENTIALLY multiversal showing (killing LT), weighed against the FOUR that Galan mentioned.

So you tell us which is the outlier, the odd one out.

Ivory Kings would crush this Supes.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Is that not PIS?

beyonders' appearances are extremely limited

so all their feats should take into consideration, not emphasizing one and ignoring the other

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You tell us.

There is *one* POTENTIALLY multiversal showing (killing LT), weighed against the FOUR that Galan mentioned.

So you tell us which is the outlier, the odd one out.

So the alleged 4 showings can only be compared to multiversal showings and nothing in-between? If those are fully powered Beyonders, that would definitely fit PIS. And that is ignoring that they are referred to as "only manifestations".

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So the alleged 4 showings can only be compared to multiversal showings and nothing in-between? If those are fully powered Beyonders, that would definitely fit PIS. And that is ignoring that they are referred to as "only manifestations".

Alleged? Did they not happen?

Well, you were the one saying that the multiple instances were all PIS.

Originally posted by Galan007
You'll find that anyone who still tries to act like the Beyonders are irrefutably multiversal powers, typically has a very hard time accepting(or will flat-out ignore) all of their definitively sub-multiversal showings. 🙂

🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Alleged? Did they not happen?

Well, you were the one saying that the multiple instances were all PIS.

If those are fully powered Beyonders. They are referred to as only manifestations.

The difference between LT and Thor is enough for PIS. One Beyonders kill a race of Celestials. The destruction of cosmic level beings is in line with what is established with Beyonders. Difficulty with herald level beings is definitely PIS.

And SVS has no multiversal feats and barely has a feat that could even be considered universal.