Ivory Kings vs Strange Visitor Superman

Originally posted by TheHulkster
If those are fully powered Beyonders. They are referred to as only manifestations.

The difference between LT and Thor is enough for PIS. One Beyonders kill a race of Celestials. The destruction of cosmic level beings is in line with what is established with Beyonders. Difficulty with herald level beings is definitely PIS.

And SVS has no multiversal feats and barely has a feat that could even be considered universal.

So you're ignoring Starbrand and Ex Nihilo? Cool. Seems difficulty with herald level beings is definitely standard for then....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're ignoring Starbrand and Ex Nihilo? Cool. Seems difficulty with herald level beings is definitely standard for then....

Then success against abstract level beings is standard. Which level is he closer to being pitted against here?

Entire race? This is a stomp

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Originally posted by Genii96
Entire race? This is a stomp

You do know this Superman can make other versions of himself right?

You also know he’s more powerful than Mxy right?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Then success against abstract level beings is standard. Which level is he closer to being pitted against here?

...But then you have the entire race of them getting killed by the Owen Bomb(and as mentioned, the Bomb's cumulative output/yield was FAAAAAR below multiversal), getting destroyed by Starbrand and the Ex Nihilii, and several of them getting streamrolled by Thor+Hyperion.

The Beyonders have high-highs, painfully low-lows, and almost nothing in between to help balance the scales.

Those are all high end comics. All dominated. This, their record against high end comics is perfect. If they have some vulnerability to herald level characters, that would have no bearing on fights against abstract levels.

Is SVS below or above Celestial levelon your opinion?

Isn't the creation of the originals Owen bomb multiversal?

That should be "cosmics". Is there a reason I can't edit?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Those are all high end comics. All dominated. This, their record against high end comics is perfect. If they have some vulnerability to herald level characters, that would have no bearing on fights against abstract levels.

Is SVS below or above Celestial levelon your opinion?

Isn't the creation of the originals Owen bomb multiversal?

Jesus Christ man can’t you read? This Superman held together a Universe from dying until every life were extinguish naturally. That’s a billions of years of lifespans he had to do.

This Superman is even above Mxy, and Mxy is above anyone in Marvel minus TOAA and a few others.

This Superman can also creates an unlimited amount of Verizon’s of himself. All of them with his powers.

Beyonders and their ilk seem to play with lesser beings for almost no reason at all. All the shiet they put the multiverse through is all a game.

They sit outside of evrything and literally just play.

Originally posted by SquallX
Jesus Christ man can’t you read? This Superman held together a Universe from dying until every life were extinguish naturally. That’s a billions of years of lifespans he had to do.

This Superman is even above Mxy, and Mxy is above anyone in Marvel minus TOAA and a few others.

This Superman can also creates an unlimited amount of Verizon’s of himself. All of them with his powers.

Can you read the post you are responding to? Your response isn't even related to it.

If your hero is celestial level or above, then how Beyonders do against herald levelers has nothing to do with how they do against him since they do better against high ends. That's the point.

This aside from your conjecture.

Question. Is the Eternity that the Beyonder's defeat the multiversal Eternity?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Can you read the post you are responding to? Your response isn't even related to it.

If your hero is celestial level or above, then how Beyonders do against herald levelers has nothing to do with how they do against him since they do better against high ends. That's the point.

This aside from your conjecture.

Batman does well in physical combat against Wonder Woman, Mongul, Lobo, Damage, Grundy. Takes punches from bloodlusted Martian Manhunter, survives amped Shazam lightning, etc. Yet struggles against Two-Face, Penguin, Joker, Red Hood etc.

According to your post's logic, if I put him up against Colossus, or Thing, or Abomination, or even Hulk - him struggling with random street hoodlums and/or Penguin should be ignored, because the Marvel opponents are closer to his high ends.

I mean, it's a brave tactic. I would support it 👆

I think eternity is multiversal currently but has not always been so. Iirc at one point each universe had an individual eternity.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman does well in physical combat against Wonder Woman, Mongul, Lobo, Damage, Grundy. Takes punches from bloodlusted Martian Manhunter, survives amped Shazam lightning, etc. Yet struggles against Two-Face, Penguin, Joker, Red Hood etc.

According to your post's logic, if I put him up against Colossus, or Thing, or Abomination, or even Hulk - him struggling with random street hoodlums and/or Penguin should be ignored, because the Marvel opponents are closer to his high ends.

I mean, it's a brave tactic. I would support it 👆

That’s how you and everyone else argued your Batman/Punisher vs Thor thread. Practically everyone cited Bats success against upper tiers and Thor’s struggles with streets.

You also did it below.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman alone has already taken Mongul's punches and was OK....

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think eternity is multiversal currently but has not always been so. Iirc at one point each universe had an individual eternity.

I think that the existence of both is what's established now:

https://i.imgur.com/QJBK9aR.jpg

I also think that this applies to LT

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Can you read the post you are responding to? Your response isn't even related to it.

If your hero is celestial level or above, then how Beyonders do against herald levelers has nothing to do with how they do against him since they do better against high ends. That's the point.

This aside from your conjecture.

Do you know Mxy is? This version of Superman was above Mxy!

Let that sink in for just one second.

Also, your logic on the Beyonders lows is stupid.

Originally posted by SquallX
Do you know Mxy is? This version of Superman was above Mxy!

Let that sink in for just one second.

Also, your logic on the Beyonders lows is stupid.

Where is he stated or shown above Mxy?

Originally posted by Galan007
Killing the Celestials, Eternity/Infinity, and the rest of the cosmic hierarchy does not make the Beyonders multiversal, though. Killing LT is the *only* showing they have that potentially qualifies as such.

...But then you have the entire race of them getting killed by the Owen Bomb(and as mentioned, the Bomb's cumulative output/yield was FAAAAAR below multiversal), getting destroyed by Starbrand and the Ex Nihilii, and several of them getting streamrolled by Thor+Hyperion.

The Beyonders have high-highs, painfully low-lows, and almost nothing in between to help balance the scales.

Very true. However, Starbrand is well above Herald level. Just wanted to clear that up.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That’s how you and everyone else argued your Batman/Punisher vs Thor thread. Practically everyone cited Bats success against upper tiers and Thor’s struggles with streets.

You also did it below.

Yup, so I am happy that you too think Batman is herald level. You DO think that, right?

Next step: we examine Superman's record against trans and abstract level threats 🙂