Kal Kent vs Thor and OKT

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Anyhow, OKT holds creation together. He stomps Kal.

https://m.imgur.com/a/5suGXsO

Anyhow, where does it say that?

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Originally posted by TheHulkster
Ok. Looking at it again, he does not actually track any particular speed movement. King Kosmos escapes him by going through a wormhole to the past. Using his S-D Vision, it takes Kal only nanoseconds to track Kosmos’ location and he goes to that location, surmising that minutes could have passed wherever King Kosmos went (apparently far more time than that had passed).

Even more so, this has absolutely nothing to do with combat or reflex speed.

Well for a start, you misread 'yoctoseconds' as 'nanoseconds'. A fairly massive magnitude difference there.

Then, actually, you're right on point. He's not tracking any real speed from Kosmos - as my point has always been, it's NOTHING to do with the SPEED of the object being tracked, but the TIME taken by the tracker to do so. Kosmos could have been travelling at 5mph, or crawling on all fours at 1mph, or zooming at FTL speeds - doesn't matter.

The important thing is that it only took Kal yoctoseconds to track him.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
First of all you need to note the circumference of a star then times that by 1 billion. Then note that number as around a second

Our sun since it's the smallest type of star

Surface area = 6.088 X 10^12 per square kilometre

Circumference - 2,713,406 miles aka 4,366,813 km

Radius - 695,700 km

So what weird looking at is a surface area of 6,088,000,000,000 or 6 trillion

That will be multiplied by the circumference. Then the radius. Then by 4 since the radius is only a quarter of the sun

Then the answer is multiplied by a billion

So your looking at this number

In a second. In kilometres

That's it in miles

So rounding it up would be 4.6 x 10^34

That number would look something like this

46,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s

Or 46 nonillion m/s

That's lower end

The feat itself lasted mere seconds

If not a second. That is the lower end of the calculation excluding the different sizes of stars

And that's just 1 billion. Considering the fact that it states billions upon billions

I didn't even calc the distance between his line of sight and the potential placements of the stars

Ok, I actually just saw this.

It's wrong.

Fundamentally.

Why are you taking into account the surface area of each star, ESPECIALLY since the text says they're all 'pinpoints'? He's far away, so they are all tiny for him - it's a massive feat for his focussing and vision, to be sure. And yes, it's a speedy feat for him alright - just not nonillion m/s, because he's not up close and personal with each star.

It's like asking me to stand in a forest, and count all the leaves of all the trees around me. 100% agree that me doing so in seconds is a massive speed feat - but you would grossly overinflate the speed by calculating each and every tree's surface area lmao. I don't need to stand right next to the tree to count the leaves, I can do so from afar - when they are much smaller. At a glance, Surfer would be able to see multiple stars at once (hell, I can just by going out at night lol).

It's fast, agree. But not nonillion m/s - you've overegged it by a massive amount.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyhow, where does it say that?

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Well for a start, you misread 'yoctoseconds' as 'nanoseconds'. A fairly massive magnitude difference there.

Then, actually, you're right on point. He's not tracking any real speed from Kosmos - as my point has always been, [b]it's NOTHING to do with the SPEED of the object being tracked, but the TIME taken by the tracker to do so. Kosmos could have been travelling at 5mph, or crawling on all fours at 1mph, or zooming at FTL speeds - doesn't matter.

The important thing is that it only took Kal yoctoseconds to track him. [/B]

I already corrected to yoctoseconds shortly after. I guess the question now is the applicability of the tracking feat to combat, specifically with OKT.

As far as my scans, the scene itself is clear regarding what is happening. He goes to the heart of entropy to stave off universal collapse. He says his goodbyes since he will remain there indefinitely so that life can continue.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I already corrected to yoctoseconds shortly after. I guess the question now is the applicability of the tracking feat to combat, specifically with OKT.

As far as my scans, the scene itself is clear regarding what is happening. He goes to the heart of entropy to stave off universal collapse. He says his goodbyes since he will remain there indefinitely so that life can continue.

Yah. I was wondering if you misread the box where it says :

In short, no he does not hold creation together, and nowhere does it say that.

Well, do you think tracking and perceiving are the same? In my mind, perceiving something is being aware of it - just like I can perceive light. TRACKING light, is another matter.

And again, the action itself isn't the relevant point, in my mind. The main point is that Kal can perform actions (whether it be mental or physical at this point is irrelevant for now) at yoctosecond timeframes. What do you think, can he or can he not?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah. I was wondering if you misread the box where it says :

In short, no he does not hold creation together, and nowhere does it say that.

Well, do you think tracking and perceiving are the same? In my mind, perceiving something is being aware of it - just like I can perceive light. TRACKING light, is another matter.

And again, the action itself isn't the relevant point, in my mind. The main point is that Kal can perform actions (whether it be mental or physical at this point is irrelevant for now) at yoctosecond timeframes. What do you think, can he or can he not?

Seriously? How does that cropped narration show that he doesn't do it? Let's look at the wider scene:

First, you have narration verifying that Thor knows how to stop universal collapse.

https://imgur.com/a/kHlAhKZ

Then you have the wider scene from where that quote comes from. You have the writer using something akin to hyperphora whereas questions being asked by the narrator are answered in Thor's soliloquy. Thor affirms his ability to stop the universe from collapsing.

https://imgur.com/a/RXV5Qoa

Then we see Thor performing the feat as the narration discusses his childhood, etc

https://imgur.com/a/UIvbBuK

Here is whole scene.

https://m.imgur.com/a/5suGXsO

Cool. I like how you ignored the other points.

But like I said, I wondered if you misread that box.

Well, do you think tracking and perceiving are the same? In my mind, perceiving something is being aware of it - just like I can perceive light. TRACKING light, is another matter.

And again, the action itself isn't the relevant point, in my mind. The main point is that Kal can perform actions (whether it be mental or physical at this point is irrelevant for now) at yoctosecond timeframes. What do you think, can he or can he not?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool. I like how you ignored the other points.

But like I said, I wondered if you misread that box.

Well, do you think tracking and perceiving are the same? In my mind, perceiving something is being aware of it - just like I can perceive light. TRACKING light, is another matter.

And again, the action itself isn't the relevant point, in my mind. The main point is that Kal can perform actions (whether it be mental or physical at this point is irrelevant for now) at yoctosecond timeframes. What do you think, can he or can he not?

Visual tracking is a visual perception skill.

https://www.toolstogrowot.com/therapy-resources/visual-perception/visual-scanning-visual-tracking

He can track someone in yoctoseconds. How that relates to other things is a guess.

What points did I ignore and what's to misread?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Visual tracking is a visual perception skill.

https://www.toolstogrowot.com/therapy-resources/visual-perception/visual-scanning-visual-tracking

He can track someone in yoctoseconds. How that relates to other things is a guess.

What points did I ignore and what's to misread?

So you think it's the same, ok.

Visual tracking is defined as efficiently focusing on an object as it moves across a person's visual field. This skill is important for daily activities, including reading, writing, drawing, and playing.

So Kal was able to focus on his target efficiently, in yoctoseconds. And follow it, as your definition clearly says tracking is focussing on an object as it moves.

I asked for your...ok, we can call it a guess.

And again, the action itself isn't the relevant point, in my mind. The main point is that Kal can perform actions (whether it be mental or physical at this point is irrelevant for now) at yoctosecond timeframes. What do you think, can he or can he not?

And whilst you're here..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=667454&from=thread&pagenumber=3#post17127305

Originally posted by CatL18
OKT is universal, isn't he?
I am not sure whether He can compate with Kal.
Thor is non-factor.

Yes. He defeats the Necroverse and holds off universal collapse among other things.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yes. He defeats the Necroverse and holds off universal collapse among other things.

"Did Brainiac consume Imperiex". Seems to be almost like a spell - I mention it, and you either deflect or completely flat out ignore it.

Don't worry, you've seen how tenaciously I cling to things. It will always be there.

Kal wins in a good fight.

Originally posted by MrMind
...are you alright man?....

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Thor was able to throw Mjolnir across all the realms some of which are isolated from the space-time continuum Asgard is stationed in the span of a conversation.

Originally posted by Diesldude
hahahahaha
They are all lying trolls man.

to lie about his own mother being dead, that's seriously messed up

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Anything I changed was based off of finding the book and reading, not off of anyone's explaination. So what are you claiming that I don't understand?

What are you even talking about

Originally posted by deft
Kal wins in a good fight.

yep

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyhow, where does it say that?

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Well for a start, you misread 'yoctoseconds' as 'nanoseconds'. A fairly massive magnitude difference there.

Then, actually, you're right on point. He's not tracking any real speed from Kosmos - as my point has always been, [b]it's NOTHING to do with the SPEED of the object being tracked, but the TIME taken by the tracker to do so. Kosmos could have been travelling at 5mph, or crawling on all fours at 1mph, or zooming at FTL speeds - doesn't matter.

The important thing is that it only took Kal yoctoseconds to track him. [/B]

Originally posted by MrMind
to lie about his own mother being dead, that's seriously messed up

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are you even talking about