Originally posted by Robtard
What he actually said:"Innocent civilians are now dead because they were caught in the middle of an unnecessary and unwanted military *** for tat. My thoughts are with the families and loved ones of all 176 souls lost aboard this flight." -Petey
Oh, yeah, he clearly blames and hates America or something.
So Iran shot that plane down because of Trump-stuff even though they can easily check the flight destination and probably passenger manifest to see who is on the plane?
Riiiiiiiiight.
Or Iran made a mistake like they just admitted earlier today. So when do we decide Iran is lying and when they are telling the truth again? I can't tell because the Mainstream, TDS, Media is so psychotic that I can't tell what truth I'm suppose to be believing at the moment.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I knew somehow Iran shooting down that plane would be Trumps fault somehow
What is funny to me is the gas lighting and pretending like Pete wasn't implying this country shared some responsibility. We don't. It's not even a case of "Iran is 90% responsible and US is 10% responsible". No, this is 100% on Iran.
This articles includes examples other than Pete. For instance this:
"Democratic Representative Jackie Speier called the tragedy “collateral damage from the actions that have been taken in a provocative way by the President of the United States.”
Seems pretty clear cut in blaming Trump.
Originally posted by dadudemon
My take: it hasn't. They've progressed. Sounds stupid but they finally let women drive
Ive been there recently. And women dont just drive, but they are working everywhere. Like as soon as you get to immigration at the airport.
All that said even if they werent progressing and were on Irans level, Regime change is such a lousy reason to wage war, and the no.1 way to get the rest of the world to hate you and maybe even call you guys the terrorists.
Support the people with some targeted air strikes but only when they are actually attempting to rebel on a large scale and overthrow their own governments. Like with the Arab spring. Or when they successfully manage to do so, like they did for a short period in Egypt, help the new government out to keep it that way with weapons support and stuff. But help the new government there irrespective of whether you like them or not, (on the condition that they have democracy or whatever).
But dont just say - That country sucks, lets do a regime change...
That makes nobody trust your intentions.
Honestly best thing for America to do right now, who’d be to just leave that region alone. But they wont. Not to mention the economic Benefits to certain people of war in general.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ive been there recently. And women dont just drive, but they are working everywhere. Like as soon as you get to immigration at the airport.All that said even if they werent progressing and were on Irans level, Regime change is such a lousy reason to wage war, and the no.1 way to get the rest of the world to hate you and maybe even call you guys the terrorists.
Support the people with some targeted air strikes but only when they are actually attempting to rebel on a large scale and overthrow their own governments. Like with the Arab spring. Or when they successfully manage to do so, like they did for a short period in Egypt, help the new government out to keep it that way with weapons support and stuff. But help the new government there irrespective of whether you like them or not, (on the condition that they have democracy or whatever).
But dont just say - That country sucks, lets do a regime change...
That makes nobody trust your intentions.
Honestly best thing for America to do right now, who’d be to just leave that region alone. But they wont. Not to mention the economic Benefits to certain people of war in general.
The last 3 sentences in your post are spot on. 👆
It's the same old song.
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
From a speech (1933)
I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
From a speech (1933)
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
From a speech (1933)War is a racket. It always has been.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
From a speech (1933)
"My interest is, my one hobby is, maintaining a democracy. If you get these 500,000 soldiers advocating anything smelling of Fascism, I am going to get 500,000 more and lick the hell out of you, and we will have a real war right at home."
Reply to Gerald MacGuire, after being asked to organize WWI veterans (for military support) in a fascist-coup of FDR, as related by Butler in testimony before Congress, 1934. A reporter (a Butler confidant) testified MacGuire said, "We might go along with Roosevelt and then do with him what Mussolini did with the King of Italy." Which was, made him a figure-head.
Iran is literally bulldozing the evidence to cover this up
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-using-bulldozers-ukrainian-plane-023111590.html
Originally posted by Tzeentch
What does Iran have to gain from blowing up an airplane full of Iranians, and then admitting that they're the ones who blew it up.Alternative viewpoint: they're bumbling retards who blew up what they thought was a spyplane or something.
I'd go with the latter. They would've known they'd have been getting watched by the US SBIRS satellites. The US knows exactly where the missles were launched from.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
What does Iran have to gain from blowing up an airplane full of Iranians, and then admitting that they're the ones who blew it up.Alternative viewpoint: they're bumbling retards who blew up what they thought was a spyplane or something.
They wanted to murder US citizens, yet not admit they wanted to murder US citizen's while accidentally murdering their own people.
Yet could not sweep it under the rug.