I agree that it makes much more sense to think of Maul as a sith that could be groomed to be as strong as Sheev himself
What's weird about Maul is that he never tried to get a disciple himself. Dooku and Vader both boasted the ambition of overthrowing Palpatine which is also the logical Sith thing to do
Yep, I meant it as during his tenure as the official apprentice.
It's weird because either explanation for his lack of betrayal could be interpreted as a self-doubt or limitation in Maul's mentality at that point. Even if he was in peak physical form I think he was too laser focused in his technical prowess to be the most effective Sith he could be at that point
Basing on Legends:
They were about equals. While I do believe, that their lightsabers skill were on par, Maul had a slight edge in the Force. But it wouldn't be much of a factor in a single combat on neutral ground.
Prime Kenobi would be ROTS, Maul TCW I would say. SoD is actually TCW Maul who might be after a months in Dooku/Sidious' prison. He should be weaker, but maybe his anger was greater and that finally made him a bit stronger, not the difference that would matter anyway.
And yes, they fought during "Jedi prime" and after Clone Wars Obi-Wan was rusty old man, while Vader was just a half-machine half-man. Per Lucas. And disney suck balls.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Did Sidious really think Maul could ever be his successor? Seems to me like Maul was just a blunt instrument (no pun intended) and an enforcer he could use against his enemies until her found a good enough apprentice.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course he would always replace Maul if a better apprentice came along. Thats how the Rule of Two works. Heck Palpatine was ready to replace Vader as soon as Luke came along.But (in canon at least), Sidious betrayed Mother Talzin just to get hold of Darth Maul due to his potential. So he was definitely intended to be trained as a Sith.
The EU had him as more of an assassin, blunt instrument. But that never really made much sense given the amount of time Palps must have personally put into training him.
Anyhow if TCW did not even convince people that Maul was more than just a blunt instrument, then him being brought back really was pointless.
Eh, I don't know. If Maul's potential is so high why was he so utterly outclassed by Obi-Wan? Doesn't seem right.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Eh, I don't know. If Maul's potential is so high why was he so utterly outclassed by Obi-Wan? Doesn't seem right.
Cut in half, his training under Palpatine cut short and basically in a straight jacket for 10+years.
Plus Obi-Wan might not be the most powerful but he is like the perfect Jedi. So much so he was a near equal to Vader.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think the assumption might be that Peak Maul is TPM Maul.Although this is the EU forum (default), and its confirmed in the EU that TCW Maul > TPM Maul. But then we also have to consider that Rebels isnt part of EU canon, so if we go by those rules then Kenobi never killed Maul.
Honestly, I was mostly joking with my phrasing.
In general though, I feel like the more time passed, the gap between them just got bigger and bigger. Even if we take TCW Maul as being his peak, he's still lagging behind Kenobi's peak by quite a bit, imo,
Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, I was mostly joking with my phrasing.In general though, I feel like the more time passed, the gap between them just got bigger and bigger. Even if we take TCW Maul as being his peak, he's still lagging behind Kenobi's peak by quite a bit, imo,
I actually thought you made a good point about Maul being a sycophant for 10+years whilst Kenobi was getting better and better, given they are actually around the same age.
That said, depends when you think their respective peaks are, but certainly late in the Clone Wars, I see no evidence for there being some kind of huge gap between them. And in a direct fight in that period, Maul would likely have the psychological advantage of having murdered Satine in front of Obi.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The mutilation and suffering only make Dark Siders stronger. It fuels their powers.TCW Maul > TPM Maul
Vader > Ani
Not quite that simple.
Especially for Maul who was out of action for many years.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Around late Clone Wars/ROTS he might not actually. If you keep up with their conflict, Kenobi would psychologically be at a disadvantage.
Even if so, Maul would also psychologically be at a disadvantage because it's been said that he's especially blinded by vengeance to Kenobi.